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or think to use that logic to try to justify this headshotOnly a lunatic would think a 3 minute 1 mile car ride is equivalent to a 2000 mile trip.
or think to use that logic to try to justify this headshotOnly a lunatic would think a 3 minute 1 mile car ride is equivalent to a 2000 mile trip.
Flying itself is safe, it's landing and take-offs that are risky. "Experts" use per hour data which includes safe flying time to spread risky parts of the flight.Only a lunatic would think a 3 minute 1 mile car ride is equivalent to a 2000 mile trip.
Players will always be "prone to hits" at one point in a game or another. In this particular incident, Sundqvist committed to getting the puck on goal. We need to dispense with this fallacy already. The league is becoming faster and more skill based, leaving players more exposed than ever. But hits like this have gone down dramatically. The solution isn't to curtail bold and creative hockey plays, it's to crack down on unnecessary hits like this.I guess my point boils down to this, we can keep punishing these hits and continue to do so, but until players stop leaving themselves prone to hits like this they will just continue to happen.
Flying itself is safe, it's landing and take-offs that are risky. "Experts" use per hour data which includes safe flying time to spread risky parts of the flight.
he was probably aware a hit was coming, but I'm sure he assumed it would be a legal one.I’m sorry man but if he was aware he wouldn’t have go smoked like he did, no player is gonna take a hit that hard just to get off a shot from a low percentage area. Even if that hit had been delivered cleanly that kid was getting absolutely rocked. Cutting through the center is always a dangerous this to do, and right after a player takes a shot he’s very prone to get hit and generally looking in the direction of the shot he just took.
@IceNeophyte
Where do you see I rationalize dirty hits? I just wanted to show you that numbers of incidents doesn't show how frequent they are. 4/100 headhits isnt same as 4/1000. Rate is important if we want to find out if intention is there or it's a simple misluck that has to occur because of high rate hitting.
@Ms Maggie
They use per hour data which is not correct. If you compare per trip data, driving is much safer.
Players will always be "prone to hits" at one point in a game or another. In this particular incident, Sundqvist committed to getting the puck on goal. We need to dispense with this fallacy already. The league is becoming faster and more skill based, leaving players more exposed than ever. But hits like this have gone down dramatically. The solution isn't to curtail bold and creative hockey plays, it's to crack down on unnecessary hits like this.
Wilson absolutely could've made impact through the body. He loves hitting high and trying to explode into people. He's reckless and dangerous. I guess my point boils down to this: as long as players like Tom Wilson get slapped on the wrists instead of being sent a real message, the few rockbrained thugs like Wilson will continue to endanger players with their predatory hits.
This culture of victim blaming is so absurd.
@Ms Maggie
They use per hour data which is not correct. If you compare per trip data, driving is much safer.
Is there a reason you use only US stats?Nope. 850 million airline trips (2017, US), 0 fatalities.
2017 Annual and December U.S. Airline Traffic Data | Bureau of Transportation Statistics
Don't know how many auto trips, but about 40,000 fatalities.
Let's say each US person has 2 auto trips per day--which is high but let's go with that. That's 240 billion trips per year. Or 1 fatality for every 6 million trips. Versus zero for every 850 million trips.
Not close. Not close to close.
I get that people are outrage because it’s Wilson, but this just isn’t that bad to me. He’s basically skating at him head on, and Sundqvist suddenly turns to shoot. No, Sundqvist didn’t really do anything wrong, but it’s not Wilson’s fault that he suddenly changed positions either. The NHL looks at whether the player changed their body position immediately prior to contact, to determine if the contact with the head was unavoidable, and Sundqvist did.
I get that people are outrage because it’s Wilson, but this just isn’t that bad to me. He’s basically skating at him head on, and Sundqvist suddenly turns to shoot. No, Sundqvist didn’t really do anything wrong, but it’s not Wilson’s fault that he suddenly changed positions either. The NHL looks at whether the player changed their body position immediately prior to contact, to determine if the contact with the head was unavoidable, and Sundqvist did.
Yeah my coach always told me I should aim high and hit like I'm trying to decapitate people.I know when players suddenly change position I was always taught to explode upwardly at their head.
International stats not reliable, esp auto stats.Is there a reason you use only US stats?
I know when players suddenly change position I was always taught to explode upwardly at their head.
Even in real time, Sundqvist's direction change wasn't that abrupt. Wilson had plenty of time and space. And it doesn't even really matter because Wilson was committed to the hit one way or the other. He intended to hit high. Did he intend to hit Sundqvist in the head? Who knows but him? But that's pretty irrelevant because this isn't the first time he's done this ****. He's a danger to the other players in this league and he needs to be sent a message. This continuing focus on Sundqvist is so far beyond the point and is the kind of mentality that is making progress on curtailing concussions slow.
I think the problem with this discussion is that many here never played a physical sport like hockey and football.
Blindside hits are readily available on nearly every play in football and every shift in hockey. For those who claim "keep your head up", you haven't played.
The reason there aren't more of these hits is that most reasonable people understand the danger you are putting your opponent in and simply choose avoiding the contact. But every once in a while, a player comes along that doesn't play by humane rules. In a pick up game, Wilson most likely would be attacked by the opposing team for delivering this type of hit (I have even seen own teammates go after players for this type of behavior).
It's a sucker punch, delivered with a shoulder rather than a fist. What I'm really surprised by is that no victim of Wilson or Cooke ever went after them with even a dirtier play. I had this type of hit delivered to me once and I snapped emotionally and tried to decapitate my opponent with a vicious cross check to the back of his neck. The way I looked at it, he could have killed me, I'm returning the objective.
So, with unreliable worldwide data, will u feel safer than in a car outside of US?International stats not reliable, esp auto stats.
But the point remains, air travel whether measured by miles or enplanements is by far safer than automobile travel.
Feel free to provide data to the contrary.
The relevant set for comparison would be other players playing similar position and ice time. It's his choice to hit often and hit dirty. Getting old.So, with unreliable worldwide data, will u feel safer than in a car outside of US?
Anyhow, I don't want to argue about that. My example was just to show u that frequency matters. Like if someone's better shooting % doesn't make him better shooter than Ovy. Same with Wilson amount of hits, some of the will be dirty because he hits often and skates fast. Notice, I said dirty, therefore, suspensions are justified.
I think the problem with this discussion is that many here never played a physical sport like hockey and football.
Blindside hits are readily available on nearly every play in football and every shift in hockey. For those who claim "keep your head up", you haven't played.
The reason there aren't more of these hits is that most reasonable people understand the danger you are putting your opponent in and simply choose avoiding the contact. But every once in a while, a player comes along that doesn't play by humane rules. In a pick up game, Wilson most likely would be attacked by the opposing team for delivering this type of hit (I have even seen own teammates go after players for this type of behavior).
It's a sucker punch, delivered with a shoulder rather than a fist. What I'm really surprised by is that no victim of Wilson or Cooke ever went after them with even a dirtier play. I had this type of hit delivered to me once and I snapped emotionally and tried to decapitate my opponent with a vicious cross check to the back of his neck. The way I looked at it, he could have killed me, I'm returning the objective.
He should be allowed to play in the game devoted to the cup raising banner. Ban him for a game or 2 after that one
16 games will cost him $1mil in salary, seems like a good place to start. Then maybe he'll get the hint.