I'll just leave this here. Most likely posturing but probably safe to say negotiations aren't going well.
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Make a case that he deserves any more money than Kevin Hayes. Make a case that he deserves as much as Victor Rask.
Also, there's no chance that KHL teams are offering deals averaging more than 3mil per year. I'd be very surprised if they were offering more than 2mil per year.
Make a case that he deserves any more money than Kevin Hayes. Make a case that he deserves as much as Victor Rask.
Also, there's no chance that KHL teams are offering deals averaging more than 3mil per year. I'd be very surprised if they were offering more than 2mil per year.
I'm not too familiar with american taxes, but there could be a clear difference between 2 million in the US and 2 million in Russia
I mean, those two mil in Russia are prob bags of money that just appear at your house every couple of weeks
Rieder's agent is aware of our insane LW depth, yes?
Maybe it's time to figure out a deal involving Stone, Rieder, Barrie, and other parts as needed.
We have Domi, McGinn, and Martinook down the left side. It's not out of the question that the last remaining LW is filled by someone like Dvorak or Perlini either.
Could trade him for a 3rd tomorrow and I wouldn't even bat an eye really. I hope we don't give this kid a contract above 3 mil cuz he honestly hasn't shown much for it. He's been a decent player on an incredibly crappy team the past two years. His +/- is atrocious for someone who is deemed a defensive specialist.
Wouldn't miss him if he departed honestly.
Rieder's agent is aware of our insane LW depth, yes?
Maybe it's time to figure out a deal involving Stone, Rieder, Barrie, and other parts as needed.
We have Domi, McGinn, and Martinook down the left side. It's not out of the question that the last remaining LW is filled by someone like Dvorak or Perlini either.
Yay! Someone agrees with me.
Rieder is a bottom 6 winger on most teams. He's not only that, he's an undersized, left handed shooting winger. Which we have plenty of. McGinn, imo, will be better than Rieder in a similar role.
Could trade him for a 3rd tomorrow and I wouldn't even bat an eye really. I hope we don't give this kid a contract above 3 mil cuz he honestly hasn't shown much for it. He's been a decent player on an incredibly crappy team the past two years. His +/- is atrocious for someone who is deemed a defensive specialist.
Let him talk out of his ass all he wants. His role and spot on this team can and will be filled without having to make any moves
Meh, if Rieder wants to play in the KHL so be it. He's a good player but not worth fussing over IMO.
We should of traded him a while ago (when his value was higher). Hopefully this is just posturing, but if it happens, Do svidaniya!
Some RFA signings from this Summer:
Pstn-Nm-Age(7/1)-NHLGP-NHLPPG-CtctYrs-CtctAvg.
W-Marcus Johansson-25-419gp-0.55ppg-3yrs-$4.58m
C-Vincent Trochek-22-146gp-0.57ppg-6yrs-$4.75m
W-Brayden Schenn-24-354gp-0.55ppg-4yrs-$5.13m
W-Andrew Shaw-24-322gp-0.43ppg-6yrs-$3.90m
W-Jaden Schwartz-24-240gp-0.65ppg-5yrs-$5.35m
W-Chris Kreider-25-248gp-0.52ppg-4yrs-$4.63m
W-Boone Jenner-23-185gp-0.51ppg-2yrs-$2.90m
W-Kyle Palmieri-25-280gp-0.52ppg-5yrs-$4.65m
W-Tomas Hertl-22-200gp-0.51ppg-2yrs-$3.00m
C-Victor Rask-23-160gp-0.51ppg-6yrs-$4.00m
C-Kevin Hayes-24-158gp-0.51ppg-2yrs-$2.60m
W-Jesper Fast-24-148gp-0.30ppg-2yrs-$1.00m
Compared to:
W-Tobias Rieder-23-154gp-0.38ppg
Let's look at guys who are actually closer to Rieder as comparables.
-Let's cap NHLgp at 82(3) - 246gp
-Let's cap NHLppg at .55
That removes:
W-Marcus Johansson-25-419gp-0.55ppg-3yrs-$4.58m
C-Vincent Trochek-22-146gp-0.57ppg-6yrs-$4.75m
W-Brayden Schenn-24-354gp-0.55ppg-4yrs-$5.13m
W-Andrew Shaw-24-322gp-0.43ppg-6yrs-$3.90m
W-Jaden Schwartz-24-240gp-0.65ppg-5yrs-$5.35m
W-Chris Kreider-25-248gp-0.52ppg-4yrs-$4.63m
W-Kyle Palmieri-25-280gp-0.52ppg-5yrs-$4.65m
And Leaves:
W-Boone Jenner-23-185gp-0.51ppg-2yrs-$2.90m
W-Tomas Hertl-22-200gp-0.51ppg-2yrs-$3.00m
C-Victor Rask-23-160gp-0.51ppg-6yrs-$4.00m
C-Kevin Hayes-24-158gp-0.51ppg-2yrs-$2.60m
W-Jesper Fast-24-148gp-0.30ppg-2yrs-$1.00m
Let's look at Jenner and Fast. Both are responsible defensively and PK like Rieder.
Let's average their numbers:
Age(7/1)-23.5
NHLGP-166
NHLPPG-0.41
CtctYrs-2yrs
CtctAvg-$1.95m
Compared to Rieder:
Age(7/1)-23
NHLGP-154gp
NHLGP-0.38ppg
2yrs at 2mil average looks pretty fair for Rieder to me.
Let's average this group:
W-Boone Jenner-23-185gp-0.51ppg-2yrs-$2.90m
W-Tomas Hertl-22-200gp-0.51ppg-2yrs-$3.00m
C-Victor Rask-23-160gp-0.51ppg-6yrs-$4.00m
C-Kevin Hayes-24-158gp-0.51ppg-2yrs-$2.60m
W-Jesper Fast-24-148gp-0.30ppg-2yrs-$1.00m
Age(7/1)-23.2
NHLGP-170
NHLPPG-0.47
CtctYrs-3yrs
CtctAvg-$2.7m
Rieder is 9% less productive than that. So 3yrs, 2.46mil seems pretty fair to me.
I'd say he deserves either 2 or 3yrs at somewhere between 2mil and 2.5mil based on:
W-Boone Jenner-23-185gp-0.51ppg-2yrs-$2.90m
W-Tomas Hertl-22-200gp-0.51ppg-2yrs-$3.00m
C-Victor Rask-23-160gp-0.51ppg-6yrs-$4.00m
C-Kevin Hayes-24-158gp-0.51ppg-2yrs-$2.60m
W-Jesper Fast-24-148gp-0.30ppg-2yrs-$1.00m
As comparables.
If he does leave for KHL, Coyotes retain his (non-arbitration) RFA rights. Correct?
We should of traded him a while ago (when his value was higher). Hopefully this is just posturing, but if it happens, Do svidaniya!