So again, the North Stars retired 19 and 8, but they didn't translate to Dallas. Dallas retired 7 for a player that at least played in Dallas. Ok. See? This makes sense. But if Dallas came out today and retired a number for someone that never played in a Dallas uniform, like say, Dave Gagner, Ulf Dahlen, etc., then it'd make absolutely no sense. No one in Dallas give a rats ass about someone that never played for them. Nor should they. I know if I was a Dallas Stars player and I had to change my number because they were retiring it in the name of someone that never played for the team in its current location, I'd be irate.
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So again, the North Stars retired 19 and 8, but they didn't translate to Dallas. Dallas retired 7 for a player that at least played in Dallas. Ok. See? This makes sense. But if Dallas came out today and retired a number for someone that never played in a Dallas uniform, like say, Dave Gagner, Ulf Dahlen, etc., then it'd make absolutely no sense. No one in Dallas give a rats ass about someone that never played for them. Nor should they. I know if I was a Dallas Stars player and I had to change my number because they were retiring it in the name of someone that never played for the team in its current location, I'd be irate.
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Only because there was a legal settlement between the team, the city of Cleveland, and the NFL when Art Model moved the Browns in '96.
The NFL committed a new team to Cleveland after a new stadium was built, the Browns gave up all rights to the name, trademarks & history and transferred those to the NFL, and the city dropped planned lawsuits against the NFL and Modell.
That is the only example I can think of where a team adopted the name & identity of a defunct franchise when returning to a city. And no, Ottawa doesn't count - that's just team marketing leeching off a long forgotten defunct franchise.
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Stars did, Hurricanes didn't (except Gordie Howe). Steen's number was retired in Winnipeg but Hawerchuk's was retired in Phoenix.
That was the result of of a lawsuit and it happened before the team even officially moved. Maybe the NHL could arrange a "history sharing" thing like the NBA did for OKC and any future Seattle franchise.
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At this stage of the game, despite what they say publicly, there is no way the NHL is giving up $60 million in relocation fees.
The legal behind the scenes was even more complex... the Ravens were issued an entirely new franchise while the Browns simply went inactive for three years.
It will be announced this week.
Mark my words.
Anyone who thinks June is out to lunch. The BOG does not have to wait until the June meetings to approve this and they won't. Take that to the bank
Mark my words.
Anyone who thinks June is out to lunch. The BOG does not have to wait until the June meetings to approve this and they won't. Take that to the bank
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^yeah....my guess is wednesday....just so brunt wasn't right.
followed by a few days of ticket sales....BOG approval shortly thereafter.
followed by a few days of ticket sales....BOG approval shortly thereafter.
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A "franchise" is a fictional entity, like a corporation. In many situations, ownership has changed hands possibly several times and names are no longer in use.
In that case, the legacy of a franchise (history, logos, etc.) should rightfully belong to the fan base that supported them and became attached. The notion that the Jets' legacy should rightfully belong to the Phoenix Coyotes is repugnant to my morality.
In that case, the legacy of a franchise (history, logos, etc.) should rightfully belong to the fan base that supported them and became attached. The notion that the Jets' legacy should rightfully belong to the Phoenix Coyotes is repugnant to my morality.
Ehhh..when the Whalers left for Carolina in 97, they left all of the Hartford Whalers banners in the rafters of the Hartford Civic Center. They're still there to this day as far as I know. I hope they always leave them there...
IMO they did the right thing. Carolina has no rights to what that franchise achieved while in Hartford. If, someday in the future, the NHL returns to Hartford, hopefully they can restore the name Whalers. I hate to think just because a team relocates, that their name can't be used again in that city for another NHL team.
IMO they did the right thing. Carolina has no rights to what that franchise achieved while in Hartford. If, someday in the future, the NHL returns to Hartford, hopefully they can restore the name Whalers. I hate to think just because a team relocates, that their name can't be used again in that city for another NHL team.
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8 and 19 have never been issued to a Dallas Star. They just left the banners in Minnesota.
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I'm aware of the history, but it is still unclear technically which is an expansion club - the Baltimore Ravens or the new Cleveland Browns.
Wiki seems to be the only source I've found claiming that the Browns were de-activated for three years and that the Ravens were a new Franchise - although that claim is not substantiated with any links.
Given that the accounts of the deal brokered with Cleveland all talk about the replacement Browns being either an expansion team or a relocated team - several teams used the threat of moving to Cleveland to get new stadium deals at home - I think it is more likely that the Browns are the expansion team, with the rights to name, history, and trademarks transferred from the NFL, and that the Ravens are the continuation of Browns as a legal entity, having just foregone certain rights under the deal brokered with the NFL and Cleveland.
Of course, all this history is completely moot w.r.t. the Jets and Winnipeg. No comparable deal was negotiated between the Coyotes, Winnipeg, and the NHL in 1996.
Talks are off between John Moores (formerly of the SD Padres) and Atlanta Spirit for the Hawks and Philips.
People can now bid on all three again, which they couldn't do under the exclusivity.
http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-hawks/spirit-ends-exclusivity-on-955049.html
People can now bid on all three again, which they couldn't do under the exclusivity.
http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-hawks/spirit-ends-exclusivity-on-955049.html
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There are only two pieces left to sell - it will be interesting to see AJC's reaction to being so far out of the loop.
Will Portage and Main be shutdown tomorrow with the Press Conference?
On a postive note it will be Sunny tomorrow.
On a postive note it will be Sunny tomorrow.
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You see - this is what happens when you bring Roman Numerals into things.
If somehow local options magically reappear, the League denies relocation, and this soap opera continues - you can all blame danishh
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