Tmac vs Hitch (what is Hitch doing different than Tmac)

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  1. 5 Mins 4 Ftg

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    Look at their faces and you can tell exactly what they are thinking:

    K Gretzky - Holy Great Jesus ****in Hell did Chiarelli **** us over. This teams ****.

    Hitch - Why the bloody **** did I say yes to coaching this ****.

    Howson - Prime Nikitin would be the answer here. Damn.
     
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  2. guymez

    guymez The Seldom Seen Kid

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    How does a HC successfully coach a roster thats abysmal? At some point you have to consider that a coach simply cant spin horse s*** into gold.
     
  3. Del Preston

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    The roster sucks, I'm not gonna say otherwise.

    The coaching hasn't been great here for years, though. McLellan was incredibly stubborn and it cost him his job. Hitchcock's style does not mesh with how the game is played today. Both have been limited by the roster but some of the decision-making on the bench has been terrible and set the team up to fail.
     
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    guymez The Seldom Seen Kid

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    I think TMac was completely handcuffed by this roster. Hitch is running into the same issue.
    There are just so many dumb players on this team that its impossible to put together 4 lines and 3 pairings that can consistently execute a system.

    I was convinced before they fired TMac that this roster is too flawed to expect anything other than inconsistency.
    Doesn't matter who the coach is IMO.
     
  5. Todd from Leduc

    Todd from Leduc Connor “The Next Great One” McDavid

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    Looks like they are doing what I said, pulling back Hitch and elevating Gullutsan to try to get the 10 game new coach bump.
     
  6. Drivesaitl

    Drivesaitl Civilized Worm

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    Diagnostically its one thing to determine what is wrong. Its often a lot easier to do that. To FIX the problem is a whole other matter and much more difficult and sometimes not possible.


    How do you construct workable toi in a lineup and roster where up to 10 of the players are junk?

    Recently theres been debates about who you put out on 3 on 3 for instance. Until people started doing the mental exercise it wasn't realized that until Klef came back there was one suitable D to put out there in OT. Just one. There are two forwards on this club that are good at 3 on 3. Just two.

    Basically if we don't score on the first or 2nd shift we're losing. Very rarely does this club even get to a shootout.

    A game like the Chicago one should exemplify how many more good players the Hawks have in the lineup than we do.

    The attrition has even been pronounced this season. Suddenly we don't even have STrome and Caggiulia who were two of our better wingers as recently as last season. WE have only 4 players on this team with double digit goals and 1 of those is very uncharacteristic. We have a ton of players who you can't even realistically expect production from.
     
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    Drivesaitl Civilized Worm

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    People are suggesting he was behind the Cagg trade. I really doubt it. I think Chia was screwing us over intently getting Manning. Certainly its Chias fault we have no wingers. Sure Hitch makes mistakes in player usage, every coach does. The trouble on this team and lineup is every mistake is magnified because the team is so bad there is never a margin for mistakes. Make mistakes and we lose. I don't like Hitch's treatment of rattie, Pulju, and I think they could be used more, but on the other hand he's identified that players like Spooner and Yama were not capable here. Simply not adding anything. He also identified Gryba as a non starter and has now identified Manning can't be in the lineup. But any game he's putting some dolt in the lineup like Colby Cave or Malone because he has no roster to work with essentially.

    Hitch could do everything right and this club would miss the playoffs.
     
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    The big 3 should have went back on the ice and bag skated with the team in defiance.
     
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    To be honest there has been some rumours that K.Gretzky, Hitchcock etc have had some influence on some of the previous trades. Who knows for sure. I dont know how anyone can feel comfortable/confident with the organization making decisions regarding the pro scouting aspect of it. The team obviously has no idea what kind of players they should be targeting. I think thats pretty obvious at this point. It has been a complete failure.
     
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    Maybe Hitch isn't the right guy, but the players need to be better themselves.

    Losing games because we lack talent is one thing. Losing games because of a lack of effort and playing a full 60 minutes is just not acceptable.

    Gregor's quote this morning is bang on to what I'm thinking of this team. The 20 games he references goes back to December 16th, we are 5-13-2

    The group isn’t that skilled, no question, so no coach will magically cure that, but I also don’t believe they should only be winning five out of 20 games.
     
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    Yeah this is true. I mean you look at other teams and there are players you have never heard of, and they have 9 goals. Theres no reason why some of our players shouldnt be more productive then they are. Rieder with 0 goals? You cant even make this stuff up. Something in the water.
     
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    Exactly. Doesn’t take a genius to figure that one out.
    But oh, I long for the day when Hitch,s hot streak was proof positive that TMac was the problem. Good times.
    Where are those guys?
    Crickets.
     
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    Well when you watch these guys some of their give a **** meters are at interesting levels.

    Rieder actually did look good the first 15 games or so, he just couldn't get anything to go in the net. Here we are 30 games later and it's still the same.

    But to me it's not just the production offensively. I look at a guy like Caggiula who is no longer here. If he wasn't scoring, he was out there hitting, grinding it out and even fighting. We just have too many guys that don't do anything at all. At least grinding it out where's down the opposition. Instead come the later parts of a game the other team is fresh and we are playing a limp game.
     
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    Yeah I agree. The only problem I saw with Cagguila was that he bled so many chances against. So whatever good he did, he ended up giving it all back and more but you could never say he didnt try.

    They have too many guys who dont create anything offensively, and dont do too much of anything else, and usually are pretty bad defensively and cant read the play well.
     
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    At least Caggiula did something to counter the negative. Right now there is just too many that do nothing, but still bleed chances and goals against.
     
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    Stop staring at your nose and fire the OBC already Darryl!
     
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    100% agree. I will never understand the Cags trade.That may be the most mind boggling (by far not worst) of all Chias trades. Trade a guy who plays pretty hard, is pretty fast ( on a slow and often non gritty team no less), for at best a depth D man who we already had quite a few of.
    Its unbelievable.
    Its like Chia was purposely sewering the team.
     
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    If you really want to have an idea who would have input into those trades, look no further than our Vice President of Hockey Operations and pro scout.
     
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    I think they traded him because hes such a sieve defensively. Out of the forwards, he was probably as responsible for as many goals against as anyone on this team. That being said he did contribute more positively than some of the forwards as well.

    I dont have a problem with trading Cagguila. But I dont understand trading him for Manning. Like you said it was mind boggling. The trade makes no sense. Manning is not a solution on this team. And he costs more money on a team that has cap problems. The organization has no idea on what kind of players they should be targetting.
     
  20. GreatKeith

    GreatKeith GM of the year Brad Treviling

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    Well he's gone and the Oilers are now worse defensively.

    Didn't seem to be too big of a defensive liability when Chicago steamrolled the Oilers.
     
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    Nikitin tho :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
     
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    What is past is past.Not good to keep dwelling on the mistakes, Forget about the bad trades and try to improve the team through good moves form now on. Hope the new GM can for this without interference.
     
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    The problem is, is that the past isn't entirely gone. When the architects of the hiring of these bozos are still alive and kicking in this organization, all you've done is simply removed the faulty upper floor, while the foundation remains rotting. Sorry, but I have concerns they will make yet another stupid hire and we are back here again in 4 years.
     
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    oh you mean the stretch of games where he had everyone available to him that Tmac had?
     
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    Yeah, thats it.
     

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