Times the sports media lied for a hot story

Big Phil

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Hockey is certainly not beneath that and while the hyper-reporting isn't quite as extreme as, say, it might be in the NFL there are times I think the media has been just as bad in hockey. But there are times they lie or embellish. Roger Maris and Mickey Mantle in 1961 were chasing Babe Ruth's home run record but were (ahem) "fueding". Well, not true, they were roomates and voluntarily. A lot of the "war on coaches" that is cool now got me thinking about this stuff. Anyways, here we go.

Mike Babcock purposely sitting Mike Modano at 1499 games
- Not true at all, but this is what we are hearing after Babcock's firing. The thing is, it isn't hard to check this. Modano played 40 games that year, his final season. He was not good that year but played the first couple months, had about three months where he didn't play for some reason (injury?) and then played in March and April. He was NOT sitting on 1499 career games and was sat in the final game of the year. He played the final games of the season. Big lie but it is re-told constantly.

April Reimer vs. Elisha Cuthbert - The original feed cut to April Reimer (James' wife) and Elisha Cuthbert (Dion Phaneuf's wife) reacting to the overtime goal in Game 4 of the 2013 series vs. Boston. The goal is scored, April is overwhelmed and the idea was that she looked over at Cuthbert whose husband had pinched at the wrong time to allow a 2-on-1 and shot her a dirty look. I can't blame the original game feed for showing this replay because the commentators didn't say anything but it was later on where I remember Sportsnet making a mountain out of a molehill and making it seem like there were two feuding wives blaming each other for it. Not true at all and even clear to see in the video. April is clearly disappointed at the goal going in, there is a fan sitting next to Cuthbert who says something probably derogatory about Reimer and April reacts right away and shoots HIM the dirty look and then looks at Cuthbert who rolls her eyes as if to say "ignore him". The wives cleared up the misconception but it was clear to me in the video alone that they didn't even need to.


Tom Barrasso's year long media blackout - Barrasso explains that a lie from the newspapers are why he didn't talk to the media all year. He explains this in the video. I don't know what to make of it exactly, but it is obvious Barrasso thought there were lies told.


Team USA's hotel room "trashing" in the 1998 Olympics - Look, I won't lie. I liked this one at the time. The Americans had beaten us in the 1996 World Cup and most of that team was back in 1998 and I was glad to see them eliminated and then do something stupid like trash the hotel room. There were players on the team I couldn't stand at the time, Hull, Suter, Tkachuk, Chelios, Roenick, Guerin and Ron Wilson has always driven me nuts. So my feeling was "Ha! Good on them." In retrospect, if this wasn't lies, it was easily manipulation and exaggeration from the media. The story was blown up in a pre-social media era. I remember reading things like either Mike Richter or Beezer's sister (?) called them up frantically wondering if they were okay because of the things they had read. They were fine. Some damage was done, a fire extinguisher went off or something and perhaps some athletes who were competing the next day got interrupted. Chelios eventually ponied up some money to pay for the damages which weren't much by the sounds of it, or at least not like we thought. It was a big story and they made it sound like they were terrorizing people with the fire extinguisher and such. To be fair the players never told who was involved because as I heard later on they almost felt sorry for the guys who were causing a bit of a scene because it had been blown out of proportion so badly. 21 years later, it is easier to look at this objectively and see it was a Cheshire Cat moment for the media to cause trouble.
 

billybudd

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The Barrasso thing was a bad example. The post-gazette article quoted verbatim from a police report with no sensationalism of any kind. Just "Penguins goaltender Tom Barrasso arrested at bar X on Y date. The police report says Z." It was written in the tone of a reporter describing the replacement of a traffic light. Just news, no BS. Worth noting that there were other Penguins personnel involved (from memory, I think Phil Bourque, maybe a trainer and possibly another guy) and none of them accused the PG of lying.

I'd like to submit Nick Kypreos saying he had it on good authority that the Penguins were shopping Evgeni Malkin. He said this every summer for like 10 years.
 

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The USA Nagano hotel room still makes me laugh. A bunch of professional athlete millionaires who have tons of testosterone, are liquored up and are pissed over losing get together in a hotel room, what could possibly go wrong?
 

quoipourquoi

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Mike Babcock purposely sitting Mike Modano at 1499 games - Not true at all, but this is what we are hearing after Babcock's firing. The thing is, it isn't hard to check this. Modano played 40 games that year, his final season. He was not good that year but played the first couple months, had about three months where he didn't play for some reason (injury?) and then played in March and April. He was NOT sitting on 1499 career games and was sat in the final game of the year. He played the final games of the season. Big lie but it is re-told constantly.

Mike Modano was scratched in Game 79 against Minnesota. The players who retell the story sometimes mistakenly say Game 82, but it is true that he was scratched at the end of the season - just at 1496 with 4 games remaining rather than 1499 with 1 game remaining.
 

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Pretty much anything Al Strachan said while a panelist on Hockey Night in Canada. What an idiot. As an example, he went on a rant about how Vincent Lecavalier hated his old coach (Tortorella... so maybe some truth there), and how he also told Lightning management that he hated the new coach, too. Lecavalier actually called HNIC that night, I think, to tell them Strachan was talking out of his behind.
 

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Team USA's hotel room "trashing" in the 1998 Olympics - Look, I won't lie. I liked this one at the time. The Americans had beaten us in the 1996 World Cup and most of that team was back in 1998 and I was glad to see them eliminated and then do something stupid like trash the hotel room. There were players on the team I couldn't stand at the time, Hull, Suter, Tkachuk, Chelios, Roenick, Guerin and Ron Wilson has always driven me nuts. So my feeling was "Ha! Good on them." In retrospect, if this wasn't lies, it was easily manipulation and exaggeration from the media. The story was blown up in a pre-social media era. I remember reading things like either Mike Richter or Beezer's sister (?) called them up frantically wondering if they were okay because of the things they had read. They were fine. Some damage was done, a fire extinguisher went off or something and perhaps some athletes who were competing the next day got interrupted. Chelios eventually ponied up some money to pay for the damages which weren't much by the sounds of it, or at least not like we thought. It was a big story and they made it sound like they were terrorizing people with the fire extinguisher and such. To be fair the players never told who was involved because as I heard later on they almost felt sorry for the guys who were causing a bit of a scene because it had been blown out of proportion so badly. 21 years later, it is easier to look at this objectively and see it was a Cheshire Cat moment for the media to cause trouble.

I don't know why you are adding "quotes" to the word trashing. I worked in the sports media at the time of this event and I assure you, claiming it was "blown out of proportion" by the media is patently false, let alone saying blown out of the media badly. The opposite is true. It was reported because it was widely known by anyone on the ground in the Olympic Village covering the games because many American athletes from other sports were furious that this was all unfolding in the middle of the night. They were flabbergasted that the hockey players - who were no longer competing - could be so selfish to make noise and cause chaos in the middle of the night when other athletes had events the next morning and were resting and preparing. It would have been reported on in more detail but the US team went into full cone of silence and nobody would say a word except for a ridiculous cover story that they all stuck to.

Jeremy Roenick claimed that the chairs were cheap and kept breaking underneath them, yet, strangely this problem didn't plague any of the other teams in the tournament and that certainly doesn't explain how one of the broken chairs ended up in the courtyard, tossed from a window nor does it explain the strange slashing found on the chairs. It also wasn't just the chairs that were damaged. Much of the furniture was destroyed.

Chris Chelios, who paid the $3000 in damages, freely admitted what you are now claiming was manufactured by the media: "Bitter frustration at our own level of play caused a few team members to vent their anger in a way which is not in the tradition of NHL/Olympic sportsmanship." The U.S. Olympic team trashed their room at the Olympic Village. This is absolutely not an example of the media lying about anything.

Additionally there are no "lies" involved in the Mike Modano story. There were a handful of games left in the season and Mike needed to play in all of them (four or five I think) and Babcock scratched him meaning he would be one game short of reaching the milestone. Absolutely not a lie from the media. It's the truth.
 
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FerrisRox

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Pretty much anything Al Strachan said while a panelist on Hockey Night in Canada. What an idiot. As an example, he went on a rant about how Vincent Lecavalier hated his old coach (Tortorella... so maybe some truth there), and how he also told Lightning management that he hated the new coach, too. Lecavalier actually called HNIC that night, I think, to tell them Strachan was talking out of his behind.

I can't provide any proof for how I know this, so take it with a grain of salt, but I will say this, there were numerous occasions in Al's print and broadcast career where the "sources" of his information were called into question and during his time at HNIC there were issues where he would make a claim that would be refuted before the broadcast was even over by other members of the panel that had access to sources or directly to the person being discussed. The guy was actually fired from Hockey Night in Canada twice in his career!
 
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sr edler

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Mike Modano was scratched in Game 79 against Minnesota. The players who retell the story sometimes mistakenly say Game 82, but it is true that he was scratched at the end of the season - just at 1496 with 4 games remaining rather than 1499 with 1 game remaining.

There's an interview on YT with (the notorious Babcock hater) Mike Commodore where Commodore retells this story and he claims to have heard it/received it first hand from Mr. Modano himself while the two were golfing (and boozing).
 

JianYang

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Commodores Babcock obsession is downright... weird

Commodore talking about babcock probably isnt too much different than other players talking to each other about their own experiences, whether it be about babcock or someone else.

The difference here has been that commodore went public, and was just as unfiltered while talking publicly as he would have been talking with his buds.

I found it to be sort of refreshing, rather than the generic, and cliche filled interviews we are accustomed to.
 

The Panther

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I found it to be sort of refreshing, rather than the generic, and cliche filled interviews we are accustomed to.
You mean this isn't your idea of a scintillating interview?:

Q - A tough two periods so far tonight. What do you guys have to do to turn it around?
A - We have to get more pucks at the night. We just need to simplify our game.
Q - Rough night for (insert goaltender's name), and (insert back-up's name) came on in relief....
A - We hung him out to dry. He's bailed us out so many times. We have confidence in both our goaltenders.
Q - What was the mood in the locker room yesterday when you found out Coach ____ had been fired?
A - We all felt we let him down. As players, it's on us.
 

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This blog discovered that the source on the Phil Kessel hot dog story was miles away from anywhere Kessel could be expected to go on an average day:

Is The Steve Simmons Kessel Hot Dog Story Real?
I never followed this story at the time, and it's a weird story....like, Kessel is on the road half of the time, so how could he be at the hot dog stand almost every day?

However, this blog doesn't really disprove anything either. You (and the blog) say he was "miles" away from the hot dog guy at Front & John. Well, Scotiabank Arena (Maple Leafs) is about half a mile from that intersection (which is basically across the street from Rogers Centre (Blue Jays)). And his condo is about a mile and a half away from Front & John. So, it's not actually far away.

And we don't know what else Kessel does - where does he go to work out? Does he have a girlfriend who lived in one of those thousands of condos by the Rogers Centre?

But Simmons - as far as I know - doesn't give any details either. It's possible Kessel went there occasionally and the hot dog guy was just exaggerating saying it was every day.

Or maybe Simmons was exaggerating.

Who knows.
 
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JianYang

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You mean this isn't your idea of a scintillating interview?:

Q - A tough two periods so far tonight. What do you guys have to do to turn it around?
A - We have to get more pucks at the night. We just need to simplify our game.
Q - Rough night for (insert goaltender's name), and (insert back-up's name) came on in relief....
A - We hung him out to dry. He's bailed us out so many times. We have confidence in both our goaltenders.
Q - What was the mood in the locker room yesterday when you found out Coach ____ had been fired?
A - We all felt we let him down. As players, it's on us.

Lol, I mean, I don't blame the players for being like that. Its just plain smart not to stir up controversy, or burn any bridges.

But as a fan, its just in one ear, and out the other. These interviews hold zero value.
 

sr edler

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Commodores Babcock obsession is downright... weird

Perhaps, on the other hand Commodore just seems like a guy who wants to be seen or heard in general. How many hockey players posts these kind of pics of themselves?

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When it comes to Babcock though he just seems very disliked in general, so it's probably not a Commodore thing, it's just that he has no problem venting it in public. It started when Commodore was part of the Anaheim organization and got cut by Babcock who then went to the papers and told them it was because Commodore was out of shape. So Commodore felt he got publicly and unfairly carved.
 

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Seems to me in most of these cases the real story was pretty easy to discern if you were following actual news reports rather than plugging in to talk radio, loudmouthed professional arguers, social media, etc.

- Babcock sitting Modano in game 79 is recorded fact
- Barrasso getting arrested is recorded fact
- Team USA trashing their hotel room is recorded fact
- Reimer/Cuthbert is pure tabloidism

It's actually pretty difficult to find a case of outright lying/fabrication by an actual journalist. The disproportionate nonsense has happened in the realm of color-commentary and internet arguments.
 

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- Babcock sitting Modano in game 79 is recorded fact
- Barrasso getting arrested is recorded fact
- Team USA trashing their hotel room is recorded fact
- Reimer/Cuthbert is pure tabloidism

It's actually pretty difficult to find a case of outright lying/fabrication by an actual journalist.

To put it another way: The OP accuses "the sports media" of coming up with lies but three of his four examples have easily been refuted and the fourth has never been taking seriously by anyone in the first place.

I'm tempted to start a thread with the title "times posters on HFBoards have lied for a hot thread", but that would probably generate almost as little substance as the OP here.
 

billybudd

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I never followed this story at the time, and it's a weird story....like, Kessel is on the road half of the time, so how could he be at the hot dog stand almost every day?

However, this blog doesn't really disprove anything either. You (and the blog) say he was "miles" away from the hot dog guy at Front & John. Well, Scotiabank Arena (Maple Leafs) is about half a mile from that intersection (which is basically across the street from Rogers Centre (Blue Jays)). And his condo is about a mile and a half away from Front & John. So, it's not actually far away.

And we don't know what else Kessel does - where does he go to work out? Does he have a girlfriend who lived in one of those thousands of condos by the Rogers Centre?

But Simmons - as far as I know - doesn't give any details either. It's possible Kessel went there occasionally and the hot dog guy was just exaggerating saying it was every day.

Or maybe Simmons was exaggerating.

Who knows.

Simmons track record is pretty terrible. He's really not earned the benefit of the doubt on anything like this. Didn't he call Jarome Iginla a "big baby" while making a smarmy face during an intermission report?
 

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I never followed this story at the time, and it's a weird story....like, Kessel is on the road half of the time, so how could he be at the hot dog stand almost every day?

However, this blog doesn't really disprove anything either. You (and the blog) say he was "miles" away from the hot dog guy at Front & John. Well, Scotiabank Arena (Maple Leafs) is about half a mile from that intersection (which is basically across the street from Rogers Centre (Blue Jays)). And his condo is about a mile and a half away from Front & John. So, it's not actually far away.

And we don't know what else Kessel does - where does he go to work out? Does he have a girlfriend who lived in one of those thousands of condos by the Rogers Centre?

But Simmons - as far as I know - doesn't give any details either. It's possible Kessel went there occasionally and the hot dog guy was just exaggerating saying it was every day.

Or maybe Simmons was exaggerating.

Who knows.

If you know downtown Toronto, Kessel would need to walk by multiple hotdog stands if he were to exit Scotiabank Arena looking for a hotdog to arrive at this location.

And the article clearly states he's coming from his condo to get these hotdogs which he clearly isn't doing. It simply defies logic that he would walk that far in order to get a hotdog and, again he would walk by multiple stands to arrive at this particular one.
 

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If you know downtown Toronto, Kessel would need to walk by multiple hotdog stands if he were to exit Scotiabank Arena looking for a hotdog to arrive at this location.

And the article clearly states he's coming from his condo to get these hotdogs which he clearly isn't doing. It simply defies logic that he would walk that far in order to get a hotdog and, again he would walk by multiple stands to arrive at this particular one.
I understand what you're saying. I'm very familiar with downtown Toronto, and I've bought several hot dogs on Front Street over the years.

The main point I was making is that we cannot know from Simmons' column what the comlete truth is. Given that the Leafs are away from Toronto, on the road, for a significant part of the season, this would appear to prove that Kessel wasn't buying a hot dog "almost every afternoon". And since, apparently, he lived up around Bay & College, he didn't live in the "neighbourhood".

Since some of the details he wrote seems to be wrong, then we can probably conclude that what Simmons wrote is sloppy.

But that doesn't necessarily mean that Kessel didn't somewhat regularly buy hot dogs from the hot dog guy at Front & John.
 

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I think I speak for the forum when I say we won't sleep well again until we all know just how frequently Phil Kessel bought hot dogs from Toronto vendors.


Speaking of which, back in 1998 I used to buy a lot of hot dogs from vendors myself, at Front Street and Eglinton. Only veggie dogs, mind.
 
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FerrisRox

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It's actually pretty difficult to find a case of outright lying/fabrication by an actual journalist.

This is true, but I have seen some alarmingly lazy stuff reported without much or any effort to verify what is being reported.

I suspected the Kessel hotdog story, for example, was told to Simmons by someone who in turn reported it without finding out if what he was told was true or even plausible.

Once, when I was working at a network that I will not name, I returned from a trip to the Dominican Republic and recounted a story to a few colleagues about how one of the staff members at the resort commented on my Toronto Blue Jays hat and indicated that he was the brother of a recently retired Major League Baseball player and he told me that his brother was coming out of retirement and would be attempting a comeback with the Blue Jays.

A couple of hours later, I heard one of our reporters on the set shooting his segment for the news program and he was talking about this player attempting a comeback with the Jays. After he finished his segment, I went up to him and told him "That's crazy, I literally just met his brother last week and he told me about this but I wasn't sure if it was true." He then told me that he overheard me talking about it earlier. Suddenly I realized... I was his source. He never even spoke to me directly to get any details at all, simply overheard a conversation about a guy at a resort and then reported it on television coast-to-coast. That is insanely lazy reporting with zero effort to verify if it was true.

The alleged comeback never happened.
 

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