Times that you thought Don Cherry was for sure going to fired

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  1. streitz

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    Why do you even think I care about Crosby?


    I'm genuinely curious why you bring him up to me when he's a player I've literally never posted about given a crap about, lol.


    Foresberg was easily a top 5 diver in history, but then again since he was made of glass maybe he was hurt those 50 times a game he fell down.
     
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    Maybe yes, but has your clip show it is not like Don Cherry liked young Crosby very much.
     
  3. Big Phil

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    Liked Salming from what I remember, and Salming was definitely a rare breed of Swedish player that played like a Canadian. I think it is the "Hockey Fights" board where a Swedish poster told me recently that Sweden just simply doesn't have any feared fighters in NHL history, or at least a scarce amount. We put our heads together and the end result may have been Ulfie Samuelsson as #1. So that much is true I guess. Cherry treated Sundin the way much of the Toronto media did. It wasn't unique. Sundin often got criticized not for being soft, but not using his size enough.

    I remember him liking Markus Naslund at one point, showing that penalty shot goal against Curtis Joseph saying "no one could ever stop that".

    A lot of it comes from Wayne Cashman. In 1972 Cashman got his tongue cut from a Swedes' stick during those exhibition games Canada played in Sweden. Cherry loved Cashman as he coached him later in his career. Maybe some of that played into it. I don't know. But first off how many Swedish players in comparison to other European players played the way Cherry liked? Not as many I don't think. So that is probably why, that and the Sundin thing I am guessing.

    And he went after Crosby multiple times early in his career. Hated the diving, once had a segment against Crosby where he warned him that Mario had done the same thing early in his career with the embellishments and the refs used it against him. When Crosby got into his first NHL fight in his 3rd season Cherry reluctantly showed the clip of it just because he would do so when stars fought. But he openly didn't want to do it.
     
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    Also keep in mind, him not always liking Crosby had more to do with just diving. As time as gone on Cherry has praised him, but it goes before the NHL even. Cherry hated that "behind the net lacrosse" goal Crosby scored in his rookie year in the QMJHL in a 6-1 rout. Hated it. Others did too. Brendan Shanahan who was still playing in the NHL then said that someone like that would get knocked down if they tried it in the NHL. I thought it was no big deal, the NHL needed some skill injected into it at that point and it was exciting to see a young kid coming up like that, but maybe not do it in a blow out game.

    That being said, when the hockey world was talking about Crosby, I remember a segment when Cherry more or less ignored the attention about Crosby and said "the kid I really like is that Gilbert Brule."

    haha, like him or not, Cherry can never be called dishonest.
     
  5. Theokritos

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    Oh, you mean the incident when Cashman decided to go after Ulf Sterner and bodycheck him after the whistle?



    That not-so-immaterial little factoid is never mentioned by Cashman & Co, is it?

    As you can see in the video, the unsuspecting Sterner gets his stick up a bit in a defensive move when he realizes that Cashman is charging at him even though the play has long been blown dead. But even then, I'm not quite sure it really was Sterner's stick that did the damage to Cashman's tongue. Here is what the Montreal Gazette reported back in 1972: "Cashman: 'Shoved that stick right into my mouth like it was a bayonet. That's what Sterner did.' But his own trainer, Frosty Forristall of Boston, already had let the truth slip. 'Cash bit his own tongue.' Frosty said."

    Either way, Cashman only had himself to blame. Maybe the "tell it like it is" crowd will take note.
     
  6. FerrisRox

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    This is a pure fabrication with no basis in reality.
     
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    Well I remember him diving a ton.
     
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    The real fabrication is of players who didn't/don't dive, and how a lot of that perception is based on whether you liked the player in the first place.
     
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    I like Don Cherry, he is very entertaining and give him credit if you like him or not he gets people talking about and tuning in to watch. For those of you who say he picks on Europeans a lot he dishes it out on Canadian players just as much like Marchment, Claude, and Matt Cooke. That has to be one of my favorite ones when he called out Cooke on Coaches Corner and then a couple weeks later Cooke confronted him about it and Cherry told him he was a rat and a dirty player to his face haha.

    Also I like how he always pays respect to fallen police officers and military personnel. Gotta admit he loves his country.

    To get back on the topic I mean there is lots he has said or done that could have gotten him fired (he is on tape delay and all now in case he says something bad) but it would have to be something pretty bad for him to get the axe. I mean like someone said he is a ratings king and he is that kinda guy that says shocking things to get a rise out of people, I know people that can't stand him but guess what the are watching every Saturday..... Coaches Corner just to see what he is going to say. Imagine if he was fired and replaced with say Doug McLean I know I wouldn't be watching as much.
     
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    Really don't understand how people can possibly not like Don Cherry
     
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    I've been to tons of games and have seen maybe one 18-60 year old male ever really hurt by a puck out of play

    Usually it is either a woman or kids who are not paying attention

    Though granted if they're there with their husbands or boyfriends and not really into hockey (or are just outright disinterested) then yea they won't be paying close attention to the game. See it all the time down the 3rd and 1st base lines in baseball.

    And if you want to turn the tables, 99% of all violent drunks escorted out of games are men, so it's not like we have a right to lecture anybody on this
     
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    Was it the goal itself, or the fact Crosby celebrated like he had just won a playoff series rather than make it 7-1?
     
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    He didn't like him "hot dogging" in a blow out game like that. He said his main concern was feeling for the goalie who got scored on like that. I get it to an extent, but it was quite a show of skill.

    Don Cherry is, how shall I put this, part of the "Tim Horton's" crowd of Canada. Blue collar, goes to work everyday, loves Canadian culture, etc. He represents a lot of that. Loves minor hockey in Canada too, shows up at games just for the sole purpose of watching them. Granted, he isn't always popular with the so-called "Starbucks" crowd. So that's where he gets his flack from. For the most part Canada is a "Tim Horton's" type of crowd, so that explains his popularity.
     
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    I almost fell off my chair when Cherry looks at the camera in that video and says about MacLean: "What a wimp."

    Sometimes Cherry got flack from none other than his wife Rose for things he said on Coach's Corner.
     
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    She's more the Starbucks kind, isn't she? That always bothered me about Don Cherry: that he couldn't find a true Canadian blue collar woman to marry. Very unexpected, to say the least.

    :thumbd:
     
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    Cherry's opinions are driven by nativism and nationalism.

    There is a huge market for it in Canada, unfortunately.
     
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    You have to understand that most Canadians kind of roll their eyes and laugh at this point, much like one does at older relatives with aged perspectives.

    There are disciples out there but most people I know just watch him for the entertainment value as opposed to the content of his takes.

    I've actually got his autograph (him and Ron) - he's extremely accessible and friendly to just about everyone he meets, and it's a milder persona from the bombastic guy on TV.
     
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    Why would he get fired? His on screen persona is controversial which sells.
     
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    Never he seems to be one of those rare people that are allowed to say any **** imaginable and get away with it. Nobody really takes what he says seriously, a jester of sorts.
     
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    I thought he hated Swedes because of Hardy Åström.
    At any rate, Don Cherry is a clown - an overstuffed stereotype slipping into dementia more and more each season.
     
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    Swedes dislike him the most, I wonder why :).
     
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    Cherry's a professional story teller, and good storytellers never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

    Astrom was the best option he had on that Rockies team (and if he wasn't, then Cherry should have done something else). Either way, he sure wasn't as bad as Cherry made him out to be in public.
     
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    He was coach not a GM. Coaches generally don't choose what goalies they have available to them.
     
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    Sure, I agree - and Cherry feuded with Miron on a number of items, including goaltending.

    But Bill McKenzie wasn't better than Astrom that year, nor was Bill Oleschuk (or Michel Plasse).
     
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