Time to fix the offside rule

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  1. Rodgerwilco

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    What if the offside challenge can only be used in the event a player scores within 2-3 seconds of a goal being scored? That way it addresses things like the egregious Duchene goal where he received a pass after entering the zone, but not dumb things like a few millimeters of a skate blade in blurry frames 5-15 seconds before a goal who may or may not have been part of the play. Furthermore, it stays within the spirit of the rule which is to prevent camping as a previous poster mentioned. However, to do that, you'd have to have puck tracking technology which tracks the puck entering the zone and the puck entering the net. No blurry frame by frame against a timer evaluation kind of crap. Pure objective tracking info.

    So in essence, the offside challenge would turn into something like, "Offside happened in excess of the 3 second threshold, call on the ice stands, we have a good goal." or "After review, offside occurred within 3 seconds of the goal, no goal."?

    Refs still call offside as they currently do. The threshold is only in events of challenge.
     
  3. umma gumma

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    I've said it before; it should be treated like the shot clock in basketball. AND if at any point the other team gains possession you can't review.
     
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    I don't understand your confusion. Whether the puck is entering the zone or exiting the zone it must cross entirely over the blue line. It makes sense to me.

    If I'm standing in the middle of a doorway, between the bathroom and the living room with one foot in each room, I'm not in one room or the other. But, if my body is completely through the doorway with both feet in the bathroom, then I have exited the living room (neutral zone) and entered into the bathroom(O-Zone), or vice versa. That's kind of how I see the blue line.
     
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    What I'm saying is logically they should decide whether or not the blue line is part of the offensive zone. I get what you are saying but I feel like just making the blue line part of the offensive zone would 1) just make more sense and 2) cut down on the offside problems a bit atleast
     
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    The reason they invented the challenge is because the obvious offside isn't always called.
     
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    I think the logic with the blue line is just that it has to be crossed completely one way or the other.

    I think it could be a good idea if they switched it to the NFL Touchdown rule where the puck simply has to break the plane of the blue line constitutes entry, but the way it is makes sense to me. It's part of whichever zone the puck is in at the time.

    Honestly, I'm more concerned about what the actual players want. If the players want to change the blue rule then I'm about it, but if they want to keep it the way it is now then I'm not going to say it should be different. They're the ones actually dealing with it.
     
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    Regarding time between offside and goal, I would love to see following:

    4 minutes to go, team A is leading 4-2. Team B enters the offensive zone in offside unseen by officials. They hold a possession for a minute and score. The goal is overturned thanks to coach's challenge and then team B scores another goal, this time legally, quicker than the original goal.
     
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    Neither is high sticks or trips, yet there's no challenge for those.

    Offside challenge the dumbest rule ever invented. You can't ****ing go back in the shift to look for possible mistakes the refs made. It's so stupid.
     
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    If we want the game to follow the rule book in totality the game would be ruined. Why nitpick one aspect?
     
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    And those rare instances are the exception. Nearly every actual overturned offside has no impact on the game or goal whatsoever.
     
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    If they want to retain the challenge, I propose a hybrid compromise with the OP. A call cannot be overturned (goal overturned) if one of the below has occurred after the offsides:

    1. 10 seconds have passed
    2. 4 passes have been completed by the offensive team
    3. The defense had control of the puck

    Remember: Blatant offsides will still get caught 99.99% of the time at the time. These close ones that wipe out a goal 20 seconds later are stupid.

    I think the whole challenge should be done away with though. I'm generally against reviews in most cases; less reviews are better (I understand on goals, or TDs in the NFL). I am fine with human error in reffing, it's part of the game.
     
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    I don't make the rules. This is something that they've decided that they wanted to target, and it's something that I happen to agree with. Offside is offside is offside. If the offside was called the right way when it occurred then the goal would have never happened.
     
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    Technicalities are why sports are so great.

    With the inclusion of replays, it is imperative to keep the game as precise as possible.

    If it's offsides, it's offsides. None of this, "only if it's visible to the naked eye" nonsense. Are you kidding me? You want human error and team biases to have influence over deciding factors in a game?

    Dismissed.
     
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    the crux of this entire argument is counter intuitive. You would be hard pressed in any part of life to find a rule/law whereby the enforcement body says, "Yeah, you broke the rule, but not that badly. It's cool"

    isnt that what we are arguing about here? the frustration of having a goal called back because the forward is only A LITTLE offisides?

    he's offsides.

    Sucks if you thought your team had a goal and it got called back. it is a gutshot. Every team has had it happen to them, but let's not try to mask the fact you are just salty about losing a goal by saying things like, "flow of the game" and all that crap. if my team got screwed by an illegal goal, i want the goal overturned. I dont give a crap about the "human element" or "flow of the game".

    the only caveat I would add and could see as a reasonable adjustment to the rule is if like stated earlier in the thread, the plane of the blue line should extend upward like a football goaline. if you or your foot is behind or above any part of the line (whether touching or not), i could see making that onsides
     
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    But if you have to magnify a replay 10X then maybe the play should be left alone?
     
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    Nope, not in my opinion. Offside is offside. If it's offside by an inch or a meter, it's offside. If a replay shows that the guy was off by 2milimeters on his zone entry then the replay is restoring the right call to a game.
     
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    Its awful. I hate offside challenges more than anything.

    The players don't know they went offside if it wasn't called in real time so they keep playing. It's not fair to them. How is it fair that they play 30 seconds more score a nice goal and it gets called back because a players skate was a millimeter offside... There either has to be a time limit on how long after the offside a goal should count (like 5-10 seconds so only offside rush goals get overturned) or just completely abolish offside reviews.
     
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    Last night during empty net time, Tom Wilson battled for a loose puck, crossed the line without the puck, then got hooked, then collected the puck, and scored an ENG. Philly challenged, and the goal was disallowed (properly according to the rule), but the hook was upheld and the Caps got a PP out of it, and then Oshie scored an ENG at 5v5. The point being, Tom Wilson is really good at hockey!
     
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    Obviously, if the league initiated the challenges, the team would not be penalized. So suggestion 3 (a neutral office official initiated challenges instead of a coach) would cancel out suggestion 2 (give teams a 5 minute major for delay of game for failed challenges). I thought that would go without saying.
     
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    I think the rule is fine. Just need to speeed up the review. If you’re offside the goal is not a good goal and shouldn’t count. It doesn’t matter how far back the offside happened if the puck is still in the offensive zone.
     
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    Easiest to me is to simply eliminate the offside review. Otherwise good goals are wiped off due to a negligible inch or two, or because a player lifted his stick a second too soon far far more than linesman used to miss a player a foot+ into the zone...

    If it’s small enough that the linesman didn’t see it it’s probably negligible to the impact of the game, and basically just a technicality in the review. A collosal waste of time the reviews are.
     
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    It just needs to be treated like the line of scrimmage in football for a QB. Have part of your skate even with the plane of the blue line. The suggestion about replays only being in real time is a good suggestion too. Zooming in 8000% and seeing individual pixels is nonsense.
     
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    I don't know - it really bothers me when a goal is scored when it should have been whistled offside. I find it changes the whole flow of the play when a player is offside and scoring chances often happen because everyone is a little off kilter because it seemed offsides. I would keep the challenge. If the play was offside, the goal shouldn't count.
     
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    Why ? It would just be a different spot the linesmen are looking at . Gives you more ice having it switch both ways
     

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