Three Years From Now: The Best Player in June 23rd CAR-CGY Trade

[Discipline Daddy]

Hanifin: Seems like a more sheltered Hamilton (who was already quite sheltered). He clearly has lots of potential and has missed only a handful of games since being drafted. He seems like a downgrade on Hamilton but he's also kinda where Hamilton was at when we traded for him. I don't think he ever surpasses him, though.

Hamilton and Giordano had the hardest matchups by far last year. Hamilton, Giordano, and Backlund were at +1.0 for the highest rating of quality of competition. Monahan, Tkachuk, Frolik, Gaudreau, and Ferland were right underneath. Hamilton did only play 21:32/game, and only 0:30 SH/game, and was about 53% in offensive zone starts (not sure how they measure that).

Hanifin was very sheltered. Staal takes the hardest matchups for the Canes, with 1.0 on the qualcomp measure. Slavin, Pesce, and Teravainen are closely behind Staal. Hanifin had a -0.5 on the qualcomp measure, right with TVR and Fleury, the rookie. Hanifin also was at about 63% zone starts. Hanifin averaged 18:52/game, and only 0:05 SH/game.

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[OvermanKingGainer]

Ferland scored 17 of those before the all star break.

Ferland was on a 35-ish goal pace for much of last season before he himself got injured in Nashville. Guy was a warrior and toughed it out but there's no doubt he was hurt in the second half of last season.

 

[The S5]

Except for having equal production in their first 3 seasons, right?

By production, are you only talking points?
Hamilton's analytics are FAR superior to Hanifin, and they aren't attributed to his partners, because they are equally as good without his best partners.
I've watched way more Hanifin and the kid has a penchant for big, boneheaded plays. I think, at his peak, he will be a solid #2 who can chip in on the offense. With a really good team, he may even have a 50 point season, but his D will be suspect.

 

[Haatley]

By production, are you only talking points?
Hamilton's analytics are FAR superior to Hanifin, and they aren't attributed to his partners, because they are equally as good without his best partners.
I've watched way more Hanifin and the kid has a penchant for big, boneheaded plays. I think, at his peak, he will be a solid #2 who can chip in on the offense. With a really good team, he may even have a 50 point season, but his D will be suspect.

You are comparing a 25 year old with a 21 year old. Remember that.

 

[Lays]

Dougie Hamilton - Flawed, but useful #2D a la Brent Seabrook
Adam Fox - Elite #2 D, might be a #1 but no one will give him that credit due to size a la Ryan Ellis
Noah Hanifin - Complete #2D, maybe even #1 a la Mattias Ekholm
Elias Lindholm - Solid Top six forward good for 45-55 pts a season a la Jacob Silfverberg
Micheal Ferland - 75+ point late blooming All-Star Power Forward a la Chris Kunitz

Lmaooooo at some of these

 

[Reinhart]

I find it difficult to pick a player out of this group - so many unknowns.

I will say this, however. Hamilton is a very solid #2, but he doesn't have what it takes to be the #1 guy. I think a true #1 is a guy that can play BOTH ends of the ice well, AND who can take over a game. Hamilton is a good offensive defencemen who has consistency issues on defence (not terrible - way overblown if you ask me, but they are there), and has inconsistent efforts game-to-game. I just haven't seen him take over a game. Giordano does. Often. Brodie did before being moved to the left side. Hamilton? Not so much. That's not a really big dig at Hamilton - a #2 offensive defencemen is still EXTREMELY important and valuable to a team (hence the steep acquisition cost), but I just don't think he will ever become that #1 guy. He is just too laid back too often.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Dougie Hamilton - Flawed, but useful #2D a la Brent Seabrook

Noah Hanifin - Complete #2D, maybe even #1 a la Mattias Ekholm

How? Hanifin doesn't crush people in open ice or engage in autotelic physicality or succeed spectacularly when he goes into board work, and has a muffin shot and average offensive instincts.

he could easily fix what's holding him back fron middle pair minute muncher: his inconsistent to poor decision making and his tendency to panic in high pressure situations. But I doubt he's ever an overt positive on the boards and think it unlikely he starts rail roading people consistently; and I'm confident he will never touch the offensive production of hamilton. Hamilton has an elite PP skillset; Hanifin is serviceable as a qb

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

By production, are you only talking points?
Hamilton's analytics are FAR superior to Hanifin, and they aren't attributed to his partners, because they are equally as good without his best partners.
I've watched way more Hanifin and the kid has a penchant for big, boneheaded plays. I think, at his peak, he will be a solid #2 who can chip in on the offense. With a really good team, he may even have a 50 point season, but his D will be suspect.

Would much rather than than Dougie...

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Adam Fox. No joke.

 

[BruinsFan37]

Talent wise, still Dougie.

In terms of which player you'd rather have on your team? Probably Hanifin. Talent drop is not significant enough that you'd prefer Dougie "locker room cancer" Hamilton over Hanifin.

Dougie lasted 3 years in Boston and 3 in Calgary (and there were constant rumors the Flames were trying to move Hamilton his last year with them). He seems to last about 2 years before his teammates/coaches hate him, so it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the Canes try and move Hamilton before his NMC clause kicks in (2019-2020 season).

 

[Skobel24]

Hamilton is and will remain a flawed but skilled top pairing dman. A not as good Brent Burns.

Adam Fox could go either way. I think he'll be a decent 2nd pairing guy who can run a powerplay.

Ferland, I think will take a significant step back now that he's away from Monahan and Gaudreau. He'll remain a well rounded 3rd line winger.

Hanifin will become what I'll call a 2.5. Good enough for a top pairing, but ideally he's a #3.

Lindholm will be a #1 RW or strong #2 center.

Overall, I think Carolina will make out better assuming they can get all three signed/re-signed. Flames benefit here by having two younger guys who fit their team long term, who can be signed right now at reasonable caphits.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Hanifin