Waived: Thorburn and Jaskin (Jaskin claimed by Washington)

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Keep in mind that if we find out that we need a gritty 4th liner again, that can probably be what we target at the deadline. The top 9 has plenty of talent, as does the defense, and goalie trades are unlikely. So that's really the only thing I think we could possibly "need" to pickup midseason. And it wouldn't be very hard to do.

I think we will have 8 NHL caliber d-men on the roster, with a couple good prospects in the AHL, so I still think Gunnarsson can be flipped once healthy to acquire an extra asset (mid-round pick or whatever) that could be used in another trade like this if need be. I like the way we're set up.
 

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Jaskin had five years to establish himself here and never did. He was finally pushed off the team by the emergence of young forwards with more offense to their game.

That is the competitive world he works in. If you don't produce, you get replaced, eventually.
 

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Jaskin was a serviceable player who showed flashes but could never be a consistent threat. His puck possession was his best asset, but his limited skating and offensive ability hindered him. I liked him and am a bit sad to see him get claimed, but Barbashev is probably a better option moving forward due to his PKing. Wish him the best of luck in Washington.
 

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I thought there would be much more apathy for this move then what I’ve been seeing.
If you only weight his contributions on viewing him, its a trivial move. But it always stinks to lose assets for nothing. But some folks are enamored with his 'analytics'. There is a way to view his ice time as being a bigger contribution than it has been in reality. I don't want to get into a big debate about that point, but I don't think there is a single Blues fan that would suggest Jaskin was a difference-maker for this team. And if he were still under their control, he wouldn't be starting tomorrow.
 

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If you only weight his contributions on viewing him, its a trivial move. But it always stinks to lose assets for nothing. But some folks are enamored with his 'analytics'. There is a way to view his ice time as being a bigger contribution than it has been in reality. I don't want to get into a big debate about that point, but I don't think there is a single Blues fan that would suggest Jaskin was a difference-maker for this team. And if he were still under their control, he wouldn't be starting tomorrow.
Well I was more talking the other direction. His analytics were one of the reasons I’m sad to see him go simply because he wasn’t a detriment to the team in almost any sense of the word. That’s hard to find for bottom-6 players. But, I’m surprised some are saying things like “good riddance” as if Jaskin was somehow holding the team back in a way. That’s why I’m surprised to see a lack of apathy. If I had to point to players that were holding the team back from being a truly good team, Jaskin would not have been close to the top.
 

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For the past few season, Blues collected an abundant number of players with similar skill set and similar upside. It is about time Blues take a proactive approach of retaining high end talent and waiving those that are not.

Blues opening day lineup in 2017:

Blues *projected* opening day lineup in 2018
Maroon-ROR-Tarasenko
Schwartz-Schenn-Kyrou
Steen-Bozak-Perron
Blais-Thomas-Barbashev

Edmundson (if healthy)-AP
JBow-Parayko
Dunn-Schmaltz

Allen
Johnson

What an improvement. Outside of potentially Maroon, not a single player is playing in too high of a role.
 

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It's remarkable that we only have 3 forwards from last year's opening night lineup in this year's opening night lineup. Even more remarkable that almost every one of the 9 new guys are clear upgrades to the guy whose role they are replacing.

Maroon > (or maybe = to) Sobotka
ROR > Stastny
Kyrou > Jaskin
Steen > PRV
Bozak > Sunny
Perron > Tage

I like the 4th line more this year but there is an argument about veteran leadership, role etc. But regardless of whether you consider this year's 4th line an upgrade or downgrade, the difference to the top 9 is incredible.

And just for good measure we have Fabbri easing his way back into NHL shape and Sundqvist is a pretty good defensive 4th liner and PK specialist that we can plug in as injuries hit.
 

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For the past few season, Blues collected an abundant number of players with similar skill set and similar upside. It is about time Blues take a proactive approach of retaining high end talent and waiving those that are not.

Blues opening day lineup in 2017:



What an improvement. Outside of potentially Maroon, not a single player is playing in too high of a role.


How in the world did the Blues nearly make the playoffs with THAT lineup???
 
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I can’t compared this year’s 4th line vs. last year’s. It like eating apples everyday last year and then switching to Oranges this year. There will no doubt be some growing pains on the 4th line, especially on road games. But I would not be surprised to see Yeo move Steen down on road games to help counter the lack of experience when the opposing team throws their top line out there.
 

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How in the world did the Blues nearly make the playoffs with THAT lineup???

Not just that, but remarkably we played by far our best hockey of the season with essentially that lineup (plus Steen). The D was absolutely insane for the first 2 months of the season. Petro was hands down the best D man in the league for that time, both goalies started the year with a bang and Schwartz/Schenn was the hottest duo in hockey.
 

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How in the world did the Blues nearly make the playoffs with THAT lineup???

Plus for the first couple months we were neck to neck with Tampa & VGK for the best team in the NHL. Looking back, I can objectively look back and see why we fell flat the middle of the year.
 

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If you only weight his contributions on viewing him, its a trivial move. But it always stinks to lose assets for nothing. But some folks are enamored with his 'analytics'. There is a way to view his ice time as being a bigger contribution than it has been in reality. I don't want to get into a big debate about that point, but I don't think there is a single Blues fan that would suggest Jaskin was a difference-maker for this team. And if he were still under their control, he wouldn't be starting tomorrow.

Its not just analytics. His contributions were evident from the eye test. I saw him hold the puck, forecheck hard, create turnovers, tire the other team out, fight for loose pucks, and create chances. If someone were to go through the GDTs, I'd bet over the past two years there are more instances of "<statment of surprise> nice play by Jaskin" than "Damnit what were you doing Jaskin?". And I'd bet he was one of a handful of Blues you could say that about. I'd argue that the people who are happy to see him go are more caught up in stats than those that are a bit remorseful we lost him. Those that dislike him only look at two stats, goals and maybe points. Those are important stats, but they are not the only aspect of the game.

If we get injuries, we will absolutely miss Jaskin. Our skill drops off significantly in the minors. Its useless to bring up guys like Thorburn, Nolan, Musil, etc with our roster make-up. They'd sink anyboyd they played with. We have Sanford and maybe Foley or Stevens that can fir in our top 12, none of which are good enough imo. Jaskin could have fit on a more traditional 4th line if we needed to call our grinders up, but he also doesn't hold back skilled players. I am fairly confident those that aren't biased against him will think, "hmmm, would be nice to still have Jaskin" before the year is out. It might never rise to a critical level if we remain injury free and all the youngsters stay on pace. But this is the Blues, how often does that happen? Also , given that we gave up a pick for a much, much lesser asset in Jerabek, but got nothing for Jaskin is a bit annoying (yea, yea, different positions I know).
 
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Its not just analytics. His contributions were evident from the eye test. I saw him hold the puck, forecheck hard, create turnovers, tire the other team out, fight for loose pucks, and create chances. If someone were to go through the GDTs, I'd bet over the past two years there are more instances of "<statment of surprise> nice play by Jaskin" than "Damnit what were you doing Jaskin?". And I'd bet he was one of a handful of Blues you could say that about. I'd argue that the people who are happy to see him go are more caught up in stats than those that are a bit remorseful we lost him. Those that dislike him only look at two stats, goals and maybe points. Those are important stats, but they are not the only aspect of the game.

If we get injuries, we will absolutely miss Jaskin. Our skill drops off significantly in the minors. Its useless to bring up guys like Thorburn, Nolan, Musil, etc with our roster make-up. They'd sink anyboyd they played with. We have Sanford and maybe Foley or Stevens that can fir in our top 12, none of which are good enough imo. Jaskin could have fit on a more traditional 4th line if we needed to call our grinders up, but he also doesn't hold back skilled players. I am fairly confident those that aren't biased against him will think, "hmmm, would be nice to still have Jaskin" before the year is out. It might never rise to a critical level if we remain injury free and all the youngsters stay on pace. But this is the Blues, how often does that happen? Also , given that we gave up a pick for a much, much lesser asset in Jerabek, but got nothing for Jaskin is a bit annoying (yea, yea, different positions I know).

I'm hopeful that he is placed on waivers by Washington after Wilson returns from suspension. Jaskin is a quality 4th line player and is exactly the type of 13th or 14th forward I want on the roster to provide injury depth. I agree that he is better than any of our options currently in the AHL and it is frustrating to lose him for nothing after trading a 6th for the millionth D man on our roster.

Visa issues complicated this and I think are the reason we lost Jaskin. Those forced us to have 11 D men counting against the cap to open the year (10 excluding the LTIR relief from Gunnar), which is why we didn't have cap space to keep Jaskin. If he had his visa, he would be on the 23 man roster, Butler or Mikkola would not be counting against the cap and we'd have had the cap space to carry a 7th healthy D and Jaskin. I still don't like the decision to risk Jaskin to waivers in order to keep a 7th D. I'd much rather have sent Mikkola down for 3 days, played Butler on opening night and then shuffled the D to the 7 we want on the roster once our new D got his visa.

I'm not going to lose sleep over losing Jaskin, but it is mildly frustrating.
 

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So we tried trading him for months, nobody wanted him, and then most of the league passed on him on waivers.

Maybe the guy isn't very good despite what his advanced stats say. Shocking I know.

Just like we can all agree that Upshall was terrible because every team in the league declined to sign him for league minimum in 2015 and he was forced to sign a pro tryout contract.

No one is saying Jaskin is an MVP. But the fact that 25 teams passed on him at the busiest waiver time of the season doesn't mean that he isn't a quality depth player. I think he is a better injury fill in at the moment than Sanford, Foley, Thorburn, Nolan or anyone else we currently have in the AHL. Losing that for nothing is frustrating, because the chances of not having to dip into that AHL depth throughout the year is essentially zero.
 

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Just like we can all agree that Upshall was terrible because every team in the league declined to sign him for league minimum in 2015 and he was forced to sign a pro tryout contract.

No one is saying Jaskin is an MVP. But the fact that 25 teams passed on him at the busiest waiver time of the season doesn't mean that he isn't a quality depth player. I think he is a better injury fill in at the moment than Sanford, Foley, Thorburn, Nolan or anyone else we currently have in the AHL. Losing that for nothing is frustrating, because the chances of not having to dip into that AHL depth throughout the year is essentially zero.
I'd bet Brian Flynn could do just as good of a job as him. If the kids don't cut it, these "quality depth players" aren't hard to find.

We clear his $1.1M, which for a player that may not have been playing much, can be helpful for a team like us close to the cap. It's not "frustrating" losing him for nothing. Players of his caliber are waived very often. People get so caught up in wanting to get a late round pick for every single player just so we can say "we got an asset!" As JR noted though, we had already tried to trade him, so it doesn't always work that way. Every team loses players like this, it simply doesn't matter. Anybody still upset with the move probably needs to get a grip tbh.

For the past few season, Blues collected an abundant number of players with similar skill set and similar upside. It is about time Blues take a proactive approach of retaining high end talent and waiving those that are not.

Blues opening day lineup in 2017:



What an improvement. Outside of potentially Maroon, not a single player is playing in too high of a role.

Incredible. We literally had 2 full 4th-lines... and once Fabbri got injured we couldn't even fill out our 2nd line.

This year you can say we don't even have a 4th line. Tremendous difference.
 
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The Jaskin trade request makes sense. He pretty clearly didn’t fit in the locker room and needed a change of scenery.

I don’t really see the point in the bickering or the comments of “good riddance” or talking about how no other team wanted to trade for him. What’s the point? The bottom line is that he was an asset and a decent depth player and he was lost for nothing. That in no way says I think he’s great; it’s just basic logic that it’s not good to lose depth for nothing, especially in a game with so many injuries. Is he a big loss? No. But is he a loss? Yes.
 

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The Jaskin trade request makes sense. He pretty clearly didn’t fit in the locker room and needed a change of scenery.

I don’t really see the point in the bickering or the comments of “good riddance” or talking about how no other team wanted to trade for him. What’s the point? The bottom line is that he was an asset and a decent depth player and he was lost for nothing. That in no way says I think he’s great; it’s just basic logic that it’s not good to lose depth for nothing, especially in a game with so many injuries. Is he a big loss? No. But is he a loss? Yes.
Really? It's a discussion forum. If somebody wasn't a fan of Jaskin and says "good riddance", that's their opinion and they're allowed to do that. It is also an interesting tidbit of information that nobody bit on him via trade and pretty much the same happened with waivers, is it not? I must say, his fans get awfully defensive about him.

Anyways, here's this gem of a quote:

Chris Kuc‏Verified account @ChrisKuc 3h3 hours ago
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Newest Capitals winger Dmitrij Jaskin said he got opportunities with Blues but "Ii’s kind of hard to grow if you have fourth-line minutes." He's eager for a fresh start.

Lmao. I don't even need to say anything about that.
 

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