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No one was acting as if the game simulation was serious, if anything it was all sarcasm.
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No one was acting as if the game simulation was serious, if anything it was all sarcasm.
The Blues could absolutely win the Cup with a healthy Halak. No team wins a Cup with Brian Elliott in the playoffs though. If Jaro stays healthy, the team has a shot. If he gets hurt, they best call up Jake Allen and pray that he steps up.
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Look at mr. negative over here.
If chicago can win a cup with crawford, st.louis can win a cup with elliot.
Nah, I agree with GrandPapillon. Elliott is a great backup but the guy should not be starting for a Cup contender in the playoffs. The past 2 years I have admired his effort, but he just isn't as good as other starters around the NHL to make the big saves we need. I am not even a big Halak fan but we really do need to see how he does in the playoffs for us. I wouldn't mind seeing Allen either.
If our team could score goals against LA last season Elliott would have won the series. He played well enough to win. Elliott is not the problem our team not scoring is.
I really don't see how I am being negative in general. With Halak, the Blues have as good a shot as anyone to win the Cup and a better shot than most teams. Scoring may be an issue, but our top 3 defensemen should be the envy of the league. With Allen, the Blues could have a shot as well, but it could go either way given his age. He seems like a pretty poised kid though.
Elliott, as I have posted before, has played in 18 postseason games. He has managed to save 90% of the shots he has seen in 8 of those games. That doesn't exactly qualify as giving a team a chance to win. He is fine as a backup, and I have no problem with him playing a game here and there during the regular season. He just shouldn't be looked at as a starting option unless Allen and Halak are both injured at the same time.
Elliott, as I have posted before, has played in 18 postseason games. He has managed to save 90% of the shots he has seen in 8 of those games. That doesn't exactly qualify as giving a team a chance to win. He is fine as a backup, and I have no problem with him playing a game here and there during the regular season. He just shouldn't be looked at as a starting option unless Allen and Halak are both injured at the same time.
He wasn't the main problem but do you guys honestly think we could go to the cup, get by Chicago, with Brian Elliott?
I like what he's done here but it's just not realistic to expect that out of him.
Yeah if we scored goals we would have won, but also if Elliott and Quick switched teams we also would have won. Elliott cannot allow goals like that one from Penner at center ice.
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Disagree. You are underrating most of those goalies. Antii Niemi is much better than Brian Elliott. And the others are also better.
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I would say Elliott at his best is just as good as any of those other goalies. Once you get rolling in the playoffs its hard to stop. All of these goalies won because of not only the team in front of them but working their ass off rather than relying on their skill. All of these goalies played better than their average game while winning cups.
You are underrating the insanely good defensemen on all of those teams. The defense that won those series, just like Chara does, just like ours can if we can get more than 2 goals in a game that matters. If Leighton can get his team to the Cup finals against Niemi what's the freaking difference.
Well if you are content on getting to the Cup and losing then sure maybe Elliott can do that.
But Niemi, on the Sharks (who moved Burns up to forward and Boyle is older so their 'D' is really nothing jaw-dropping), is a good goalie. He is pretty underrated in the NHL, IMO.
I am not underrating the defense on those teams at all. Marc-Andre Fleury does not have a good defense in front of him.
Crawford does, but he has still performed better than Elliott has. I'm not a Crawford fan at all, but I just don't think Elliott can win us a Cup at all.
If Chicago can win with Crawford and Niemi he's on par with those 2 goalies. I am a lot more worried about our lack of high end forward talent then I am our goalie.
I agree we wouldn't have beat Chicago because we lack the forward talent they have.
Well I will be less concerned about our goalie if it's Halak starting in the postseason so hopefully he can stay healthy for once and this debate will be useless.
And Niemi hasn't been a threat since he was removed from Chicago's defenders. Joe Thornton came out of nowhere and decided to be one, but that's not really the point. You can't talk about the defense Fleury has right now as if it has anything to do with winning a Cup back then. Those rosters are years apart, it doesn't even make sense. Chicago hasn't really changed anything other than replacing Campbell with Leddy and I'm certainly thinking it worked out.
If your excuse for Elliott not being good enough to win us a Cup by carrying the team is that Halak could, you're really over-estimating the gap between them. The guys who are effecting how many goals we give up are playing in front of them, not relying on them. (they have to share a trophy because neither of them earned it alone and that hasn't changed)
Halak can play as well as he wants to, there's still guys out there that know for a fact they can beat him glove-side high every time they get that scoring chance. So the question is, how many chances are we going to give them to do it, not will Halak suddenly get longer arms or better vision by staying healthy in April.
Lol, Niemi hasn't been a threat since he left Chicago? Did you even watch the Sharks this past season? He had a great year, and frankly he looks even better than he did on the Blackhawks. The reason they are declining is not because of Niemi...
My point regarding MAF is he was a good goalie with a lot of potential, and Pittsburgh saw that version of him when they didn't lay him out to dry like they have recently. Elliott is not as good as him.
Your 2nd paragraph on Halak makes me think you've never seen me post anything about him. I am not a Halak fan but he is more of a #1 and more capable of carrying a team in the playoffs. Don't even like the guy but I can admit that. You're still fooling yourself if you think Elliott can carry a team through the playoffs. What has he done that makes you think he can? Yeah he played decently against LA...But not good enough to win (I already know it wasn't all his fault but the Kings obviously have a huge advantage by having a true stud in net).
Keep throwing out these examples of goalies you don't like because the bottom line is they are still better than Elliott.
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Winning the Jennings trophy and holding the highest save percentage in history. Brian Elliott was brought in this league too young and on some bad teams. When he's bad he's bad yes, but he has shown that he can most certainly steal games. So far he's had a bad 10 game streak on the Blues and after that 10 game streak he has looked like the goalie from 11-12. He may not be a bonafide starter in the NHL but I have no doubt he can hold his own in the playoffs if the Blues are playing well in front of him.
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Yep. And most of that losing streak had to do with not playing during the lockout. Goalies get better as they regain their timing and rhythm.
Not me. I'll be concerned if we prove yet again we can't bang home rebounds or bury empty net opportunities like the last two times we played the Kings. That has nothing to do with our goalie, and everything to do with the other team's guy getting in our shooters' heads so they think they have to pick corners all night.
Yeah well there's a humongous difference between beating the Kings in the first round and winning the Cup. Elliott could have done the former, but...
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He hasn't been a threat, he looked weak in the playoffs, I don't care about goalies doing well in the regular season, and you seem to act as if it's the same. He's been just as strong for them as Nabakov and just as timid in the post season. He's stuck behind a team that tries to outscore top players instead of contain them and that can do some real damage in the regular season but contenders are going to do both.
The Blackhawks slid when Keith and Seabrook did and rebounded just the same, it wasn't some developmental hurdle that made Crawford a winner; it wasn't them figuring out Kane was still better as a winger. It was being able to lock down top offensive players and PP's long enough for their best players to capitalize on mistakes or execute on a good scoring chance. Some team's get lucky and can just watch a goalie do that by himself, but those goalies don't win either.
The best goalies in the league aren't winning nearly as many championships as the best goalies in their peak season. There's a ton of goalies out there who have an NHL career because they put up a 1-and-done season, and the Blues have two guys who either already did as close to that as they can or still have a shot at being that player. Obviously they're not going to surpass anyone's career success, but neither of them is so much more prepared to carry the team.
TerminatorBlue
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We must be really jinxed, two out of the four TSN panelists pick St.louis Blues to win the cup.
Ray Ferraro - St.louis
Bob Mckenzie - Chicago
Aaron Ward - Boston
Mike Johnson - St.louis
Can't wait for the season opener, it's been a long summer.
Ray Ferraro - St.louis
Bob Mckenzie - Chicago
Aaron Ward - Boston
Mike Johnson - St.louis
Can't wait for the season opener, it's been a long summer.
Robb_K
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They are both ex-Blues. Now that The Blues are real contenders, they HAVE to pick them or be traitors.
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