Third line = Shutdown line?

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  1. IceManCat

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    We are having a friendly debate over on the Panthers forum about third lines in the year 2018-19.


    Is your team's third/fourth line primarily tasked with stopping the other team's top line ?

    or

    Is your teams third/fourth line asked to prove secondary scoring leaving the top lines to go against the opposing top lines ?
     
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    The Jets roll 3 lines tasked primarily with scoring (listed on depth charts as 1, 2 and 4) and a defensive/shutdown line (which is line 3).

    the numbering imo is a bit irrelevant, it's the way the lines are deployed and what they are tasked on doing which gives them their identity
     
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    Yes, the Jets' third line of Lowry-Copp-Tanev generally goes against the other team's top line (or our top line of Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler, depending on the situation).

    The good news is that Lowry line has recently been quite dangerous at putting the puck in the net (based on last season's playoffs and the first game of the season). They should all score in the double digits this year, with at least one threaten to break the 20 goal mark.
     
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    It depends what you mean by third line. A lot of teams' defensive/shutdown line would be 2nd in minutes played but 3rd talent wise.
     
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    For the Leafs it's both. Kadri is the matchup center but he plays the PP and has back to back 30 goal years.
     
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    Yeah, by time on ice our "3rd line" is probably the shutdown one
    By scoring though, they'd probably be the 4th line
     
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    I feel like the designated "shutdown line" has lost its popularity in the years since Anaheim won the cup. Lots of teams use the third line as a secondary scoring outlet and a lot of the time the top 6 is tasked with more defensive responsibility.
     
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    Leafs' 3rd line is a matchup line. Will be deployed against top comp, but they won't necessarily shut them down. They're content to trade chances.
     
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    Ideally it's:
    1st line:Top offensive line
    2nd line:Secondary offensive line
    3rd line:Two way line that can do a bit if everything
    4th line:Grinding,energy line.
     
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    Bourque-soderberg-nieto is solely a shutdown line, with soderberg skilled enough to drive offense. Expect 15+ goals from him and and 10+ from Nieto.

    Matched against top lines.

    4th line is asked to be a two way skating line. Not sheltered much. Grind it out.

    2nd line is asked for secondary scoring and sheltered away from top lines
     
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    Why would that be ideal?

    To me ideal would be:

    1st line: Good offense, good defense
    2nd line: Good offense, good defense
    3rd line: Good offense, good defense
    4th line: good offense, good defense
     
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    tampa uses their second line as a shutdown line but not every team has a brayden point type 2c who can carry his own line and outmatch opposing top lines consistently
     
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    The Caps shutdown line is probably the 2nd line.
     
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    for Mtl, i'd say it's pretty much 4 lines playing the same system, no real checking line, and no energy line either. 4 speedy line trying to produce secondary scoring. It's only one game, so we'll have to wait and see.
     
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    i said not every team, not that no other teams can do it. it just requires center depth. backstrom playing on the 2nd line is what i like to call center depth.
     
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    The Blues’ 3rd line is a 2-way line.

    Steen-Bozak-Perron
     
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    Depends on how the team is built / what the coach is like. Most teams have a power vs power line tho .

    But some coaches would prefer to try and get their most gifted offensive players as much offensive starts as they can get / against weaker opposition .
     
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    Rangers are pretty much the same-
    Kreider-Zib-Buch
    Vesey-Hayes-Zucc
    Spooner-Chytil-Fast
    Namestnikov-Howden-Lettieri
    All lines are offensive, no shutdown line
     
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    Giroux Couts Konecny: Go head to head against top lines
    Lindblom Patrick Voracek: 2ndary scoring
    JVR Vorobyev Simmonds: Philly finally has a 3rd line that can provide offense
    Laughton Lehtera Raffl: Played a great game 1 vs Vegas....better than our 3rd lines in years past
     
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    The Penguins tend to use their 1st and 4th lines against another team's top-2 lines. Their 3rd line is Simon-Brassard-Rust, which they tend to use in a more offensive role.
     
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    I don't think they have a line for that to be honest. They go power-on-power a lot with Ovi-Kuznetsov-Wilson and they are very comfortable throwing Eller's line out there against opposing teams top lines too.
     
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    Because that’s just not possible with a salary cap...
     
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    blues jumble the lines so much its impossible to really tell most of the time

    but schenn and ror are solid two way C’s better defensively than bozak (the 3rd line c) so i guess technically no
     
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    But when they matched lines in the playoffs it was Backstrom and Oshie against the top lines.
    And that's how the Caps have started this season too.
     
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