there should be a new thread every night about offsides

Discussion in 'National Hockey League Talk' started by Alberta_OReilly_Fan, Oct 24, 2018.

View Users: View Users
  1. Alberta_OReilly_Fan

    Alberta_OReilly_Fan Bruin fan since 1975

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2006
    Messages:
    10,828
    Likes Received:
    1,302
    Trophy Points:
    169
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Author/car wash attendent
    Location:
    Edmonton Canada
    unfortunately I only remember how much it angers me when its against my bruins. I don't want to be a homer and only post when my bruins are being screwed.

    the thing is... I am smart enough to realize in an 82 game schedule it would balance out. the other team will get nailed for just as many crappy offside calls as my bruins. so this isn't about my caring that the bruins get a goal called back. I don't feel anyone is out to get us. in fact, I usually agree on the reviews that the play was offside.

    what my entire complaint is... who cares??? how does a guy being 2 inches offside actually give a team any sort of UNFAIR advantage? how does it pollute the intent of the game?

    the offside rule was put into place to prevent 'cheating'
    its there to stop players from being obviously in the attacking zone when the puck is not there.

    I don't mind if the linesman totally brain cramps and makes a grievous mistake that costs a goal... that should be reviewable. but if it requires more than 1 single video review to determin if its offside THEN IT DOESNT MATTER.

    and if the play was going on for like more than a minute and the defense even had a chance to touch the puck and couldn't get it out... then IT DOESNT MATTER

    the league keeps saying they are desperate to add more scoring to the game for the fans... but how the hell does calling back goals because they were 2 inches offside add more excitement for the fans???

    we cant even cheer when our team scores now because we are always worried the goal is being called back. and even if its the other team getting called back how is that worthy of being cheered? our team still allowed a goal. winning by a technicality sucks. getting a goal called back for such a pointless stupid reason is not a good reason to cheer.

    the league needs to bring in new off-side challenge rules and if the offside didn't measurably create an unfair advantage for the scoring team than it needs to be eliminated. we want to see more high speed rushes that result in offense. that's what sells the tickets
     
    AnimalFear and jbobell98 like this.
  2. 2LeftSkates

    2LeftSkates Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2008
    Messages:
    1,807
    Likes Received:
    253
    Trophy Points:
    94
    So, eliminate the blue lines?
    Oh boy!
     
  3. Frank Drebin

    Frank Drebin Habs Sponsor

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2004
    Messages:
    20,530
    Likes Received:
    3,371
    Trophy Points:
    187
    Location:
    Edmonton
    So if two inches offside isn't a big deal let's just widen the blue line two inches.

    But then we'll have people complaining about being 2 inches offside on the wider lines and we'll have to widen them two more inches.

    Or perhaps well move to a system where if it doesn't look too bad it's not offside.
     
  4. Dirty Dan

    Dirty Dan Saturday Night Lupul

    Joined:
    May 5, 2010
    Messages:
    2,667
    Likes Received:
    18
    Trophy Points:
    66
    Occupation:
    Being an allstar-damngood
    Location:
    The 6ix,in ur crease
    I agree its a bit tacky to call back a goal where the offside virtually means nothing 20 seconds prior

    refs should avoid calling offsides entirely and just leave it to video review
     
  5. Blueline Bomber

    Blueline Bomber From the Blueline

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2007
    Messages:
    31,172
    Likes Received:
    8,006
    Trophy Points:
    186
    Stay onside when you enter the zone and you don't have to worry about whether any subsequent goals that may come about will be called back for being offside.

    Plenty of teams do it every night, including your Bruins. Seems like a much easier solution than eliminating offside all together.
     
    The Hockey Tonk Man likes this.
  6. SotasicA

    SotasicA Registered User

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2014
    Messages:
    2,680
    Likes Received:
    1,080
    Trophy Points:
    94
    They should get rid of the video review. Linesmen can call blatant offsides well enough, and let close ones slide if they don't affect the play in a significant way. Up to their discretion.

    I don't like the way they try and look at a grainy picture and try and make out whether an ice molecule was a thousandths of an inch to the left or not.
     
    Lias Andersson and jbobell98 like this.
  7. the4thlinegrinder

    the4thlinegrinder Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2011
    Messages:
    1,222
    Likes Received:
    359
    Trophy Points:
    95
    Location:
    The Bench
    Referring to offside as “offsides” should result in an automatic HF suspension.
     
    Mandar, Ozz, oXo Cube and 1 other person like this.
  8. Muston Atthews

    Muston Atthews Bunch of Bangerz

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2009
    Messages:
    28,263
    Likes Received:
    1,810
    Trophy Points:
    156
    Location:
    Toronto, Ontario
    About what? That it’s spelt “offside” not “offsides”?
     
  9. K Fleur

    K Fleur If You Know You Know

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2014
    Messages:
    3,886
    Likes Received:
    3,723
    Trophy Points:
    111
    [​IMG]

    If it means we don’t get these goals anymore I’m cool with heavy offside enforcement.
     
    CHLLL Penguin likes this.
  10. PunkRockLocke

    PunkRockLocke Registered User

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2017
    Messages:
    1,226
    Likes Received:
    716
    Trophy Points:
    94
    Occupation:
    Latex Salesman
    Location:
    Pender Harbour
    I totally agree. I've hated it since day one. It should not be a reviewable play.
    I also want to see coaches challenges removed all together.

    If the NHL really must have offside reviews for the once a season (or less) blatantly obvious plays where the linesman has a brain fart, set strict review restrictions such as:
    - Linesmen/refs can't only review for up to 45 seconds
    - If the offside occurred more than 30 seconds prior to the puck going the net it can't be reviewed

    If they can't see what they need to change the call in a short period of time, then there is no sense in reviewing it.
     
  11. Prairie Habs

    Prairie Habs Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2010
    Messages:
    7,171
    Likes Received:
    927
    Trophy Points:
    126
    Why are we pretending the one he is talking about from Saturday was some prolonged review where they had to count pixels to think he was maybe offside? It was an easy review, he was clearly offside.
     
  12. Alberta_OReilly_Fan

    Alberta_OReilly_Fan Bruin fan since 1975

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2006
    Messages:
    10,828
    Likes Received:
    1,302
    Trophy Points:
    169
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Author/car wash attendent
    Location:
    Edmonton Canada
    if the offside is intentional

    if an unfair advantage is gained by the offside

    if the offside was necessary for the goal...

    then theres an argument to be made that it matters

    if theres a rush... and timing was messed up... and someone crossed the line and it was so close the lineman missed it... so really close...

    then why in hell are we calling back goals? the nhl is forcing goalies to wear unsafe equipment because they say goals are needed for the fans.

    the way this is... when a team scores... you cant cheer... you wait for the next 2 mins in case the goal might be challenged... by the time they confirm its a goal you don't even feel like cheering

    yeah... that's just what the fans needed to be happy
     
  13. Prairie Habs

    Prairie Habs Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2010
    Messages:
    7,171
    Likes Received:
    927
    Trophy Points:
    126
    I really don't see any compelling reason to not enforce the rules here. Like someone else said, it becomes a slippery slope. If two inches offside us fine, why not 3 or 4? If 4 is fine then why draw the line at 5 or 6? At some point it becomes excessive, no? At some point you have to draw a firm line? Maybe make it blue and have it right where it normally is?
     
    Whalers Fan and 2Pair like this.
  14. Anomie2029

    Anomie2029 Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2013
    Messages:
    882
    Likes Received:
    121
    Trophy Points:
    61
    Location:
    Sydney, Australia
    As a Sharks fan who watched a goal get taken off the board last night due to an offside challenge...

    … This is a bad take. It's a rule. The teams and players know the rule going into the game.
     
    MrCraigAnderson likes this.
  15. the4thlinegrinder

    the4thlinegrinder Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2011
    Messages:
    1,222
    Likes Received:
    359
    Trophy Points:
    95
    Location:
    The Bench
    If people really want to “get the call right”, then why not allow challenges for offside after penalties? If a team enters the O-zone offside but it’s ruled onside by the linesman and then one of the defensive players gets a penalty, why can’t the coach challenge that the play was offside? A double minor or major penalty could have more impact on a game than a single goal.

    Or maybe we shouldn’t overturn major plays in a game because a skate blade was a few inches off the ice. ;)
     
    Last edited: Oct 29, 2018
  16. Alberta_OReilly_Fan

    Alberta_OReilly_Fan Bruin fan since 1975

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2006
    Messages:
    10,828
    Likes Received:
    1,302
    Trophy Points:
    169
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Author/car wash attendent
    Location:
    Edmonton Canada
    rules are changed all the time... bad rules are bad rules

    this rule intentionally was designed to stop camping in the offense zone... cherry picking. to make the rule simple they said you cant be in the offensive zone without the puck

    they wanted to create... exciting rushes. rushes are exciting. they didn't want long passes to some guy camped beside the goal. that's boring

    the rule is meant to create excitement

    but then there was 1 or 2 big misses... fans were upset by the big misses. no one ever gets upset by a play that is an inch or two offside. sure, the hometeam is upset that a goal was scored against them... but they are more upset at their own team then the offside

    cheering when an offside saves your bacon... covers up for your incompetence... is weak sauce

    sure, I don't want the opposition to score against me... but I wouldn't cheer when a goal got called back by a fluky offiside. if a couple inches at the blueline is the only thing that stops a goal then the goal might as well count

    and as minorly irritating as I might find it for the opposition to score an offside goal against my team... its 1000 times worst when a goal for my team is called back for a nothing happening little mess up at the blueline

    I was alive in the days of bobby hull and guy lafeur… watching scoring from a rush is exciting. I don't want everyone coming to a standstill at the blueline and setting up a zone defense because they are afraid to accidently cross the line 1/2 second too soon

    if an offside is created during a rush... and its not like more than a second or two... then it shouldn't matter. I feel that way both when its against my team or for my team

    offense is important for fan enjoyment of hockey games. way more important than seeing some player skillfully hold up at the blueline and avoid going offside lol. I couldn't care less if its offside when its all part of an exciting rush
     
  17. easton117

    easton117 Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2017
    Messages:
    1,782
    Likes Received:
    1,277
    Trophy Points:
    84
    Gender:
    Male
    Just stick a 10 second limit on it once the attacking team enters the zone.

    The defending team has plenty of time in 10 seconds to reset and play defence. After that it’s irrelevant.
     
    Backcheckmonster3 likes this.
  18. Finesse

    Finesse No Frizz, No Fuss

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2013
    Messages:
    4,361
    Likes Received:
    131
    Trophy Points:
    66
    Location:
    Bad/Nationwide
    Get over it.
     
    user26 and Frank Drebin like this.
  19. Windy River

    Windy River Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2013
    Messages:
    623
    Likes Received:
    14
    Trophy Points:
    46
    Video review of goals is great, offside shouldnt be reviewed though.
     
    Alberta_OReilly_Fan likes this.
  20. Alberta_OReilly_Fan

    Alberta_OReilly_Fan Bruin fan since 1975

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2006
    Messages:
    10,828
    Likes Received:
    1,302
    Trophy Points:
    169
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Author/car wash attendent
    Location:
    Edmonton Canada
    no you still blow the offside if you see it happening. the rule gets enforced like it was always intended to be enforced

    but when theres a challenge there better damn well be a reason. it better be so obvious that not challenging would be gross

    the offside needs to be offensive... before you challenge it.

    I feel different about goaltender interference because getting rough with goaltenders causes injuries. you need to go to extraordinary methods to protect goalies. they are like quarterbacks. I never get very upset when a goal is called back when my team bumped a goalie. bumping goalies isn't part of the game

    but... when my team makes a rush down the ice and crashes the blueling exciting and makes a couple great passes in the zone and deserves a goal because of their exciting play... then I get very upset its called back

    exciting displays of passing and skating deserve a reward... give them the goal
    dangerous plays crashing the net don't deserve a reward... call it hard

    the game is supposed to me made fun for us to pay money to watch live and on tv... its not exciting or fun to see goals get called back at the blueline for a play that was so close we couldn't see it when we were watching the first time around
     
  21. Newsworthy

    Newsworthy Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2018
    Messages:
    1,521
    Likes Received:
    262
    Trophy Points:
    66
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    USA
    I couldn't disagree with you anymore. Who here remembers the awful two line passes?
    Now we're complaining about a rule that works. I mean if your offsides you are offsides. If you run a red light whether or not it was close to yellow or not it's still a violation. Some nice goals have been called back because they were illegaly scored and that's the bottom line. How is anyone getting screwed?
     
  22. MNNumbers

    MNNumbers Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2011
    Messages:
    5,078
    Likes Received:
    564
    Trophy Points:
    119
    Proper rules:
    #1: No video replay of the goal or the entry is allowed in the arena until 10 seconds real time after the goal is scored.
    #2: Coaching staff has 10 seconds to decide whether to challenge WITHOUT looking at a replay. No coach in the upstairs box looking at a replay either. You don't get to cheat and do your own review before asking Toronto to do one.
    #3: If, after all of that, the coaching staff appeals offside, and it is determined that the entry was onside, then there is a 2 min minor assessed for delay of game.

    These rules combined should be in play in one form or another in ALL leagues where video review is legal.

    The main takeaway: You have to decide to challenge based on what you saw in real time with your own eyes, and there will be consequences if you are wrong.

    That would limit the matter to only really bad misses, and I feel that should be the idea here.

    Further:
    If the defending team obtains possession but does not clear the zone, then that negates the offside - no review possible.

    I would even go so far as to not complain if the rule were (defending team touches the puck).
     
  23. North Cole

    North Cole ♧ Lem

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2017
    Messages:
    2,158
    Likes Received:
    1,071
    Trophy Points:
    94
    What is this melodrama? Everyone I've watched a game with since this became a thing has immediately cheered upon the Oilers scoring a goal. I dont know anyone who legimtately sits there like a stone refusing to smile or cheer in any way until a specific amount of time has passed. Sounds ridiculous...

    No one is that worried about an offside challenge.
     
  24. Alberta_OReilly_Fan

    Alberta_OReilly_Fan Bruin fan since 1975

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2006
    Messages:
    10,828
    Likes Received:
    1,302
    Trophy Points:
    169
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Author/car wash attendent
    Location:
    Edmonton Canada
    running red lights is a safety concern right? if you are due at work 15 mins before your shift and you get there at 14 mins and 45 seconds should you be disciplined?

    if offside was a safety concern you could compare it to your red light example

    but I say its more like cooking... if a recipe calls for 3 shakes of salt and you put in 4... its not grounds for throwing the soup in the trash. that extra shake of salt probably wont be noticeable. it wont really effect your soup. most offside reviews had almost zero impact on the goal being scored

    and the people being screwed? its the same people paying the nhl 3-4 billion dollars a year to be entertained
     
  25. Alberta_OReilly_Fan

    Alberta_OReilly_Fan Bruin fan since 1975

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2006
    Messages:
    10,828
    Likes Received:
    1,302
    Trophy Points:
    169
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Author/car wash attendent
    Location:
    Edmonton Canada
    you probably don't participate in a lot of game day threads here at hf?
     

Share This Page

monitoring_string = "358c248ada348a047a4b9bb27a146148"