There are currently only 5 teams below .500

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  1. Throw More Waffles

    Throw More Waffles Registered User

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    I don't know how that's possible...

    But now, more than ever, it exposes the nhl's faux "parity" rules.

    31 teams.

    26 of them "above .500"
     
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    Take away that dam loser point.

    If you lose, you lose.
     
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    Yeah but how many teams have an unsustainable PDO?
     
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    It's November 6. Islanders aren't winning the Presidents trophy and Rantanen isn't winning the Art Ross. Many teams are running on unsustainable numbers over a full season
     
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    Points matter, not point %, this isn't the NBA. The rules have changed and with that so does context.
     
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    The number refers to a "winning percentage".

    How many teams have half the number of wins as games played?

    Not these ones:

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    Forget the exact math but with the loser point about 58% of possible points is what should be considered breaking even.
     
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    The current point system allows this to happen. The NHL loves it because more teams in the mix means more fans thinking their team has a chance.
    What it means though is that it also stunts the trade market as teams hold onto players as they are close to the playoffs (rare teams do what the Blues have done recently).
     
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    InAbsensia OMG Boro is going to be our captain isn't he?

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    Yes.
    A.J. Jakubec of TSN1200 (who badly, badly needs another anger management course) goes about this all the time:
    "Sens are .500 don't @ me!" but they are not...to be ".500" you need at least 6-10 points more than just "half of 168" or whatever, precisely because of the loser point.
    The best thing for the league would be killing the loser point.
    Lose? Get NOTHING.
    Win? Get EVERYTHING.
    Or just bring back ties, period.
     
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    The NHL loves the *illusion* of parity even if the trade off for it is terrible
     
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    They could just make every game worth 3 points. That way OT losers still get their participation trophy and teams can keep 'breaking point records' that the league marketing can use for hype.
     
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    3 W
    2 OTW
    1 OTL
    0 L
    There. Fixed.
     
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    The problem is you think that .500 is good hockey. Montreal finished with 78 points in 2012 and drafted 3rd overall.
     
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    The league markets?
     
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    The best teams have 60% more points at the end of the season than the worst teams.

    How is that parity?
     
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    It can happen because .500 percentage is now a point percentage not a winning percentage.

    Not many teams look all that impressive so far outside of Nashville and Tampa.
     
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    Toronto is impressive.
     
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    You're right, I forgot that the only way too measure parity in the NHL is by calculating the difference in points between the president's trophy winner and the team that finishes 31st in league standings
     
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    for purposes of deciding if a team is .500 you have two ways to go. if the overtime and shootout wins count as wins, then all the losses count as losses, loser point or not. optionally you treat all overtime results as ties. neither is totally accurate,
     
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    I forgot that the only way to measure parity was to count the teams that have a below .500 record.

    How about you forget about .500 being good hockey.
     
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    I never said this
     
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    So whats your deal about the illusion of parity when the top team in the league has 112 points and the worst team has 70?
     
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    The OP is bs. If you are playing .500 hockey and you've played 14 games you should have 14 pts given that 2 points are awarded for a win.

    EDIT: Holy crap!!! The OP is right. I just looked at the league standings.


    But then again, 19 teams are playing above .500 hockey and 7 teams are at .500 hockey.
     
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    Grabbed a random season before the loser point, and after Ottawa had a chance to stop being so crappy. 1996-97.

    Top team had 107 points (colorado) and bottom team had 61 (boston). 4 teams made the playoffs with less than a .500 record.

    Last year the top team had 117 points (nsh) and the bottom team had 60 (buffalo). The worst team to make the playoffs had a .591 point percentage (devils, jackets)

    If we look at .600 point percentage as playoff hockey, the new point system isn't so bad. If you like math/numbers.
     
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    My deal is that the NHL point system keeps point total systems artificially close while making it very difficult for teams to close that supposedly close gap.
     

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