Theo Fleury Versus Joe Nieuwendyk

Who was better?


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DitchMarner

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Jul 21, 2017
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Just vote for the better player, taking into account peak, prime, longevity, talent, accomplishments, awards etc.



Bracket B:


Fleury (4-0: defeated Kovalev, Marleau, Roberts and LeClair in round one. 5-3: defeated Elias, Bondra, Naslund, Mogilny and Brind'Amour; lost to Hossa, Shanahan and Robitaille in round two.)
Nieuwendyk

Shanahan (4-0: defeated Tkachuk, Recchi, Hossa and Mogilny. 4-0: defeated Robitaille, Elias, Naslund and Fleury in round two.)
LeClair (4-3: defeated Nolan, Amonte, Brind'Amour and Roberts; lost to Mogilny, Fleury and Tkachuk in round one. 4-3: defeated Weight, Damphousse, Kovalev and Bondra; lost to Elias, Robitaille and Naslund in round two.)

Alfredsson (4-0: defeated Naslund, Hejduk, Elias and Marleau in round one. 4-0: defeated Hossa, Robitaille, Palffy and Mogilny in round two.)
Daniel Sedin

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Robitaille (4-0: defeated Hossa, Palffy, Recchi and Brind'Amour in round one. 3-2: lost to Shanahan and Alfredsson; defeated Mogilny, LeClair and Fleury; received two byes in round two.)




Eliminated players rankings:



Recchi (1-4: defeated Mogilny; lost to Shanahan, Robitaille, Hossa and Elias.)

[Mogilny is grouped ahead of Palffy/Kovalev/Brind'Amour. Mogilny lost Brind'Amour but defeated three opponents that Brind'Amour lost to (LeClair, Kovalev and Naslund). Mogilny lost to Brind'Amour whereas Kovalev beat him, but Mogilny defeated Naslund, whom Kovalev lost to, and beat Kovalev head-to-head. Mogilny beat Naslund, whom Palffy lost to.]

Mogilny (4-3: defeated Whitney, LeClair, Marleau and Tkachuk; lost to Recchi, Shanahan and Hossa in round one. 3-4: defeated Kovalev, Naslund and Bondra; lost to Robitaille, Alfredsson, Brind'Amour and Fleury in round two.)

Tkachuk (3-4: defeated Demitra, LeClair and Weight; lost to Shanahan, Hossa, Elias and Mogilny.)

[Palffy, Kovalev and Brind'Amour are grouped together - Palffy beat Kovalev and lost to Brind'Amour. Kovalev beat Brind'Amour and lost to Palffy. Rock, paper, scissors scenario. Brind'Amour defeated Mogilny and lost to Bondra whereas Kovalev defeated Bondra and lost to Mogilny.]

Palffy (4-1: defeated Bondra, Nolan, Demitra and Damphousse; lost to Robitaille in round one. 2-4: defeated Kovalev and Weight, lost to Naslund, Alfredsson, Brind'Amourand Elias in round two.)
Kovalev (4-2: defeated Damphousse, Brind'Amour, Bondra and Hejduk; lost to Fleury and Naslund in round one. 1-4: defeated Weight; lost to Palffy, Mogilny, Hossa and LeClair in round two.)
Brind'Amour (4-3: defeated Weight, Damphousse, Bertuzzi and Koivu; lost to Kovalev, Robitaille and LeClair in round one. 3-4: defeated Zhamnov, Palffy and Mogilny; lost to Bondra, Hossa, Naslund and Fleury in round two.)

[Note: Even though Brind'Amour lost directly to Bondra, he beat two opponents that Bondra lost to (Palffy and Mogilny); therefore, he is ranked ahead of Bondra. Palffy lost to Brind'Amour directly whereas Bondra beat him, but Palffy defeated Bondra head-to-head and Palffy beat Kovalev head-to-head whereas Bondra lost to AK. Kovalev beat Bondra directly.]

Bondra: (4-3 defeated Nolan, Hejduk, Whitney and Demitra; lost to Palffy, Naslund and Kovalev in round one. 3-4: defeated Damphousse, Brind'Amour and Zhamnov; lost to Fleury, Elias, b]Mogilny and LeClair in round two.)

Damphousse (4-3: defeated Koivu, Weight, Yashin and Marleau; lost to Brind'Amour, Kovalev and Palffy in round one. 1-4: defeated Zhamnov; lost to Bondra, LeClair, Elias and Hossa in round two.)

Weight (4-3: defeated Koivu, Tanguay, Smyth and Yashin; lost to Brind'Amour, Damphousse and Tkachuk in round one. 1-4: defeated Zhamnov in round two; lost to LeClair, Kovalev, Naslund and Palffy.)
Marleau (3-4: defeated Tanguay, Bertuzzi and Roberts; lost to Fleury, Alfredsson, Mogilny and Damphousse.)
Demitra (3-4: defeated Yashin, Zhamnov and Koivu; lost to Tkachuk, Palffy, Naslund and Bondra.)

Koivu (3-4: defeated Yashin, Zhamnov and Roberts; lost to Weight, Damphousse, Demitra and Brind'Amour.)

Roberts (3-4: defeated Smyth, Bertuzzi and Amonte; lost to Fleury, Marleau, Koivu and LeClair.)

Yashin (3-4: defeated Allison, Gagne and Zhamnov; lost to Demitra, Koivu, Damphousse and Weight)
Bertuzzi (1-4: defeated Whitney; lost to Roberts, Marleau, Naslund and Brind'Amour)

Zhamnov (4-3: defeated Allison, Gagne, Tanguay and Whitney; lost to Demitra, Koivu and Yashin in round one. 0-4: lost to Brind'Amour, Weight, Damphousse and Bondra in round two.)

Whitney (3-4: defeated Smyth, Nolan and Amonte; lost to Bertuzzi, Mogilny, Bondra and Zhamnov.)
Hejduk (2-4: defeated Amonte and Tanguay; lost to Elias, Alfredsson, Bondra and Kovalev.)

Tanguay (2-4: defeated Allison and Gagne; lost to Marleau, Weight, Hejduk and Zhamnov.)
Amonte (1-4: defeated Gagne; lost to LeClair, Hejduk, Roberts and Whitney.)

Gagne (1-4: defeated Smyth; lost to Amonte, Zhamnov, Yashin and Tanguay.)

Smyth (1-4: defeated Allison; lost to Roberts, Gagne, Whitney and Weight.)

Nolan (0-4: lost to LeClair, Bondra, Palffy and Whitney.)
Allison (0-4: lost to Zhamnov, Tanguay, Yashin and Smyth.)
 

DitchMarner

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Jul 21, 2017
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There are some things that stand out for Joe Nieuwendyk (started his career with back-to-back 50 goal seasons, won the Calder, won a Conn Smythe, won three Cups), but I feel Fleury was the superior individual talent.

Nieuwendyk spent many seasons as a second line centre whereas Fleury led the Flames in scoring multiple times. Fleury scored more on a per game basis in the playoffs, but Nieuwendyk scored more career playoff points and won more Cups. Fleury peaked higher and finished fifth in Hart voting twice (and fifth in Selke voting in one of those seasons) and he fared better in All-Star Team voting.

Tough call, but I'll go with Fleury.
 
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DitchMarner

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Fleury wins.

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