Blue Jays Discussion: The Vladimir Guerrero Jr. injury overreaction thread

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  1. Boutette Been there done that

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    I stated there was something wrong with him and the coaches weren't doing their jobs and they should be replaced by those who can and will. And if the players make all the decisions anyway (such as someone who claiming Donaldson's issues are all his fault) then they don't actually have a job to do and are redundant.
     
  2. Boutette Been there done that

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    Glad you agree that you have no argument.
     
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    No, you said he went to the DL and was better when he got back.

    Travis wasn't injured, he was just playing poorly. And they did do something about it: they let him try to work through it and when he didn't come around they sent him to the minors to work on things with less pressure.
     
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    Steve Phillips is suggesting that he would be surprised if JA Happ is a Jay after July 1st. He says why wait for Happ to have a bad start to trade him. Says his trade value is at its highest now.

    Thinks the Jays will get "a significant prospect and a secondary prospect."

    Might make sense with Stroman coming back and the Jays not wanting to send Gaviglio down. Trading Happ would open up a spot for Gaviglio as a by product of getting better long term value for Happ.
     
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    What could you possibly mean by this? You're the only one without an argument. Every single person has brought up valid points, and because it doesn't fit your ridiculous conspiracy theory, you're dismissing it.

    As was mentioned, Travis was not injured. What's a more likely situation? Someone who had not faced live pitching in nearly a year was slow to adapt? Or management/coaching ignored an injury and hoped it would go away. Grichuck, a guy who sports a career .183 average in March/April had a terrible March/April? Stunning (with a BABIP of .119 for the record, the poor guy couldn't have bought a hit. Everything he put in play just found gloves).

    Sometimes you have to let a player work through shit in order to get better. With Travis we had the luxury of options and could send him to AAA.

    Common sense just isn't that common.
     
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    I would be pretty surprised if he's traded that soon, but it's not a bad idea.

    If Happ is still around when Stroman comes back, the smart thing would be to move Garcia to the bullpen to see if they can Liriano him.
     
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    Your first guess if a player plays through an injury and then has an extended stay on the shelf is because the trainers misdiagnosed him, not because he hid the injury? Has it been so long that we forgot Ricky Romero threw 181 innings without knees?
     
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    Don't worry it's just sticky111 with his weekly trash AA and fe1ate Shatkins post. lol

    I'm not saying AA is amazing, but Shatkins has been here for what 3 years? Two of which our teams have been brutal. Hardly a large enough sample size to be making the kind of pronouncements sticky buns is.
     
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    Stickty111 vs zeke, Round 64.
     
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    So let me preface everything by saying Steve Phillips is a fool.

    Now that the most important part of the post is complete: I wouldn't be against any trade of Happ that results in a top-100 prospect and decent 'B' prospect. However, such a trade has nothing to do with the impending return of Marcus Stroman, or the presence of Sam Gaviglio.

    I'd rather let him trying to pitch his way out of it, string together a couple of good starts, and then peddle him to a national league club. Gaviglio to the pen, Biagini to the minors, is what my move would be.
     
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    Not to mention if he has a string of bad starts or worse, gets injured, his value can get lower or tank completely. I would think a team would be willing to pay more for an extra month of play.
     
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    I agree. If the offer is good enough i make the trade as soon as possible.
     
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    Good games from a couple guys in Rookie ball.

    Groshans 2-4 1r 1rbi 1bb 1so
    Conine 3-5 1r 3rbi 1so
    Jimenez 1-4 2rbi 1bb

    Jimenez is interesting cause he's supposed to be a good defender at short, so if he can hit too then that's awesome. I think he got our second highest bonus last July 2 even though Hiraldo was ranked higher on prospect lists.
     
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    Shapiro's draftpicks already more successful then AA's ever were
    ;)
     
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    Lol
     
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    On the radio today they were talking about an easy top 50 prospect plus for Happ. Said he’ll be in huge demand and the earlier he goes the higher the return.

    As for Garcia I keep hearing people say release him or whatever. If we trade both Happ and Estrada we will need starters. Being that we will also likely move a few pen arms as well. Worst case he pitches out of the pen for the remainder of the year. We may as well abuse his arm
     
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    Jays are already stacked with infield prospects and adding Martinez would be nuts.

    SRF with a shaky start. Not too bad but 4 walks in 5 innings along with 7 hits.
     
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    I want one of Abreu/Medina/Perez with pereira and Whitlock. Two far out but strong prospects and one higher end prospect.
     
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    That’s a gamble now
     
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    All those "higher end" prospects seem to be trending in not so good directions.
     
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    Darvish last year remains a solid comp for Happ, though Happ is having a far better season. Top 50 and a couple lottery tickets makes perfect sense.

    As for Garcia, I completely agree. You gain nothing by releasing him, and you lose the chance that he may turn it around. Let him plug away and see what happens and if he doesn't figure it out then throw him in the pen and see if that works.
     
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    Imagine having Morales still under contract for another billion years? That's Pujols for the Angels. Still has 5 years left? LOL.
     
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    Davis is bad too. The league is becoming more of a young man's league.

    The Bluefield team has 21 hits tonight. Batting .500 as a team.
     
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