OT: The Thread About Nothing CCXI: The Thread About Everything Besides Hockey and COVID-19

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JimEIV

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I dunno. Dickenson is pretty geeky. Maybe he's not a big drinker.
He's not I saw an interview were he scoffed at the idea of being a "rock-star". He said something like I go home to my family behind a white-picket fence and live life like every other normal person...That's what he credits his longevity to.
 

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I'll admit that I have no sympathy for the NYPD. Living in NYC, you see every day they way they behave and it's not remotely positive. I'm not even talking about violence or arrests, just the constant little things - turning on their lights just to run a red light, parking in bike lanes and on sidewalks. They're also comically inept at actually being crime stoppers. In 2019, no NYPD officers were killed by criminals. Multiple were killed by friendly fire. There's still a bullet hole in the front door of my apartment building from years ago, before I moved in, when the cops fired 12 shots at a guy running and didn't hit him once. The laundromat next door still has holes in it too, and the owner still jokes about that. And our stupid idiot mayor has gone above and beyond to try not to blame them for anything, and they still whine and whine and incessantly whine that they don't have the support of the mayor. They're the biggest babies in the world, but that's to be expected. Cops are fake tough guys. They sign up for a potentially dangerous job and they just bawl their eyes out when it gets even potentially dangerous. You're getting paid far more than any other public servant, and incredible benefits to boot, sorry that you have to do the job you explicitly signed up for.

I grew up in Brick, NJ, which for a while was "the safest city in America". Just cops all over the place, harassing you for the most minor of stuff. I still have the ticket for doing 38 in a 35mph zone. That sort of petty. I was sitting on the curb outside of my house at 8:30pm on a summer evening smoking a cigarette once and a cop pulled up on me with flashers on, demanded to see my license (Which showed that it was my address), and then ordered me to go inside, for no reason. My underage little brother got caught selling weed to his buddies, and they got a warrant to come into our house and they just tore the whole place apart. I come home and my bedroom looks like a tornado hit - bed upside down, clothes strewn about outside of drawers and my closet... and those morons completely missed the two fake IDs I had openly laying on my bedside dresser (I was 19, and home for the summer from college).

Too many high school C-/D+ bullies become cops, and if you watch the videos coming out of these protests, it shows.



Nothing's going to change as long as police departments are getting 5 times the funding that education and social services in those areas are getting.
It took me way too long to respond to this.

I am quite familiar with several police officers from Brick. One is a state trooper who is literally one of the worst human beings I've ever had the misfortune to know.

Another wasn't necessarily bullied, but he was never accepted on Memorial's football team nor the wrestling squad. He was abused as a child and chose to take his anger out in South Toms River.

His brother eventually went the Brick pd route for the pension and health care. He was a good dude. That changed fast.

My personal experiences with the NYPD both as a victim and being a dummy have been foul except for one occasion I can think of.

As a white teenager in Newark? Don't even get me started.

Just look at the budgets of all of these towns (especially Brick) and the disparity between law enforcement and health care.

Yet people are somehow perplexed by the frustration in the streets.
 

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In 2024, you're gonna get a wave of younger Gen. X, millennial and Gen. Z management and government. Prepare for more drones and cameras, more screening, even less privacy.

I prefer that to a world which gives a badge and a gun to a guy who would f*** up an order as a barista. Sorry to be harsh but you're not exactly getting introspective types to sign up for the force. It's easier to sidestep the problem with technology than make the job attractive to people who would otherwise do more productive things with their time.
 

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In 2024, you're gonna get a wave of younger Gen. X, millennial and Gen. Z management and government. Prepare for more drones and cameras, more screening, even less privacy.

I prefer that to a world which gives a badge and a gun to a guy who would f*** up an order as a barista. Sorry to be harsh but you're not exactly getting introspective types to sign up for the force. It's easier to sidestep the problem with technology than make the job attractive to people who would otherwise do more productive things with their time.

The irony is they'll be among those protesting their civil rights are being violated with their every step being tracked. Face it. This country is doomed.
 

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It took me way too long to respond to this.

I am quite familiar with several police officers from Brick. One is a state trooper who is literally one of the worst human beings I've ever had the misfortune to know.

Another wasn't necessarily bullied, but he was never accepted on Memorial's football team nor the wrestling squad. He was abused as a child and chose to take his anger out in South Toms River.

His brother eventually went the Brick pd route for the pension and health care. He was a good dude. That changed fast.

My personal experiences with the NYPD both as a victim and being a dummy have been foul except for one occasion I can think of.

As a white teenager in Newark? Don't even get me started.

Just look at the budgets of all of these towns (especially Brick) and the disparity between law enforcement and health care.

Yet people are somehow perplexed by the frustration in the streets.
You sound like you know that area very well? Do you know the head football coach of Tom's River East Frank Gianetti?
 

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The irony is they'll be among those protesting their civil rights are being violated with their every step being tracked. Face it. This country is doomed.

Yeah, you're probably right. I actually don't think that's a hypocritical stance, though. The nature of change is that it's a giant whack-a-mole game. We do something, it has side-effects, we adjust.

I don't think we're doomed, but looking at things in a fixed binary way is the bigger issue across the board. i.e. you don't have to lose policing in order to improve it. You don't have to make government super small to improve it. You don't have to ditch capitalism to build a compassionate society. Watching out for vulnerable people isn't socialism. Blah blah blah.
 
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Yeah, you're probably right. I actually don't think that's a hypocritical stance, though. The nature of change is that it's a giant whack-a-mole game. We do something, it has side-effects, we adjust.

I don't think we're doomed, but looking at things in a fixed binary way is the bigger issue across the board. i.e. you don't have to lose policing in order to improve it. You don't have to make government super small to improve it. You don't have to ditch capitalism to build a compassionate society. Watching out for vulnerable people isn't socialism. Blah blah blah.

too political for here?

vulnerable, compassion and police… all in one day….in today's news to boot!

Province asks police to halt Lethbridge safe consumption site | Calgary Herald
 

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Janie Jones - still one of the best album openers ever (although I think the UK version of the record started with a different song).


It’s actually the first track on the U.K. version, but not the USA version. The first track on that is Clash City Rockers.
 

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Janie Jones - still one of the best album openers ever (although I think the UK version of the record started with a different song).



i have the uk version on vinyl it starts with jaine jones

"Deny," "Protex Blue," "Cheat," and "48 Hours" were removed from the British edition and replaced for the U.S. release with the British-only singles "Complete Control," "(White Man) In Hammersmith Palais," "Clash City Rockers," "I Fought the Law," and "Jail Guitar Doors,"

i feel the us version is a bit stronger…. have a copy of it on cassette somewhere
 
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I like the US version better because of Complete Control.
 

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Strummer’s untimely death was a bigger loss for music than is usually appreciated as I see it. I think he’d still be relevant in today’s climate and I think the Clash would have done some additional work that would have brought him back to prominence
 
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Strummer’s untimely death was a bigger loss for music than is usually appreciated as I see it. I think he’d still be relevant in today’s climate and I think the Clash would have done some additional work that would have brought him back to prominence
I do think they would have reunited if not for Joe’s death. It was well documented that there were talks of it happening at the time he died and they probably would have performed at the HOF ceremony a couple of months later.

I’m not sure if they would have made new music or not. They probably could have.

At the same time, I think it’s okay that they didn’t come back and reunite, just because it does seem somewhat special when certain bands just stay broken up and don’t do any reunions. Like Minor Threat for instance, who certainly were not as renowned as The Clash, but are a rare band from their generation that didn’t do a reunion of some sort. Even fake reunions with scab singers like the Dead Kennedy’s and Black Flag (and I guess the Misfits up until a few years ago) have done.

I do wonder how big of venues The Clash could have sold out on a 2000’s reunion tour though. And I would have been interested in going. I also would have liked to see them attempt to make good on having their career close out Cut the Crap, if they were able to do another record.
 
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I do think they would have reunited if not for Joe’s death. It was well documented that there were talks of it happening at the time he died and they probably would have performed at the HOF ceremony a couple of months later.

I’m not sure if they would have made new music or not. They probably could have.

At the same time, I think it’s okay that they didn’t come back and reunite, just because it does seem somewhat special when certain bands just stay broken up and don’t do any reunions. Like Minor Threat for instance, who certainly were not as renowned as The Clash, but are a rare band from their generation that didn’t do a reunion of some sort. Even fake reunions with scab singers like the Dead Kennedy’s and Black Flag (and I guess the Misfits up until a few years ago) have done.

I do wonder how big of venues The Clash could have sold out on a 2000’s reunion tour though. And I would have been interested in going. I also would have liked to see them attempt to make good on having their career close out Cut the Crap, if they were able to do another record.
Black Flag and DK are the exception only because unlike the Misfits or what could have been the Clash, Jello and Henry have plenty of cash and it's not worth it to them.

There's a number for everything, but without enduring at least a nationwide tour playing midsized venues at best, those numbers obviously aren't there. I think there's no chance we would have seen a Misfits reunion if they weren't sure they'd pack arenas for a few nights and call it a day.
 
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