OT: The Thread About Nothing CCVI: Sitting in the blind

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  1. New Jersey

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    well, that's a tad misleading. yes and no.

    pure cocaine: least dangerous, but still dangerous.
    cocaine cut with fentanyl: very dangerous.
    pure fentanyl: clear suicide attempt.
     
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    First of all, on its' face that's absurd. Until of course you realize you dont specify X and Y. Yes, if you have 20 (y) beers it's worse than a pinhead (x) of cocaine.

    Literally the very first sentence from what you posted.

    The only people that seem to ever push-back on this concept, are the people who are very pro weed.
     
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    all that sentence seems to do within the actual context of that article is introduce the counter-argument.

     
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    MartyOwns i’ll ask daneyko

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    The counter-argument in no way precludes the main argument, nor is it necessary for a 50%+1 "majority" to experience something for it to be true. If it's true for 28%, 32%, 43%, it's true enough.

    Again, this all seems like common sense, not to mention the clinical data, only heavily-refuted by the most pro-weed of people, as if their religion were being attacked.
     
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    Exactly, which makes sense. Who should you trust when it comes to figuring out if weed is a gateway drug?

    The people who smoked weed and realized that it isn't a gateway drug?

    Or

    The people who haven't and are inventing things?

    I have a feeling that once weed is completely legal, the "gateway drug" idea will die out eventually and it will be looked at like alcohol, which is also a drug by any sane definition. I think that technically, nicotine and caffeine are "drugs" too, and I had all of those (and alcohol) before I ever tried weed. Which one was the "gateway"?
     
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    no one's refuting that some marijuana users have moved on to harder and more dangerous drugs.

    what's being refuted is that it's pervasive enough of an issue with marijuana that it should preclude marijuana from ever being legalized and regulated.
     
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    not just "technically," they are drugs, period.

     
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    I know, but for a lot of people, there's drugs and there's "drugs".

    The fact that weed is a Schedule I drug and cocaine, meth, and ketamine aren't should really tell you all that you need to know about how completely illogical our country's laws and beliefs on weed are.
     
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    I agree with you, but for a completely different reason.

    After weed is legal for a certain period (10 years, 20 years) it will completely lose it's hip, cool, "bad", counter-culture, rebellious quality to young people, who are the ones in the age cohort which is ripe for drug experimentation.
     
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    you mean like alcohol on university campuses? or marijuana everywhere it was legalized and with lines around the block to purchase legal, "boring" weed?

    marijuana will most certainly be restricted to 21+ as well. i would venture to say many adults enjoy smoking weed more than they like doing stuff that's illegal, just like they enjoy booze.
     
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    That's fair. Definitely plays a part in it. I mean, we all felt like hot **** when we drank before we were of legal age, right? Now, it's so ho-hum. I was annoyed by being ID'd by the time I was 21 and 1 month old, haha.
     
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    Just give everyone all of the drugs in the world. And those that are not dumb enough to use them all will solve the worlds population problem. :sarcasm:
     
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    I don't think gateway drugs are a preclude only to other similarly used/ingested drugs.

    I.e. I don't think drugs you smoke would lead only to other drugs you smoke.
     
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    it'll continue being one of those things that self-righteous, overly-pious folks will criticize other people over for the foreseeable future though.

    "oh, you smoke marijuana? i'm not into that, i like to keep my mind sharp."

    [​IMG]
     
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    My first drug ever was smoking cigs and that was not for the drug factor as much as the cool factor. Don't think I ever really felt the drug effect of cig's. And when you look at people smoking, you don't notice the drug factor.

    Next drug I did was whiskey, maybe I did it for the cool factor, but I knew before I took that first sip, because I had seen other people drinking, that the drug factor was not far off.

    Weed came next, cool and drug factors both there.

    Some other drugs cam after that.

    So imo, if Weed is a gateway drug, and I think it is, at least in how I perceive gateway drugs, then cigs and alcohol are as well.
     
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    This is another thing that annoys me.

    Beer is 21
    Handgun is 21
    Marijuana (as you note) is 21

    Voting is 18
    Getting killed in a politician's war is 18

    Either make the 1st three 18, or the last two 21.
     
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    Preeeeeeeeeeach.

    If you're legally an adult at 18, I'm of the opinion that you should have all the rights (and responsibilities) that come with it.
     
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    Me personally... I wouldn't trust my 18 year old self with anything of importance.

    You should have no rights while you are a dependent. IMO. If someone is feeding, clothing, providing shelters and taking care of all of your essential needs you are one step above a pet not an adult.
     
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    In non-drug related news, your boy just got accepted to grad school. :D
     
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    Nice. What school are you going to for it?
     
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    well, i liked this, knowing full well i still live at home rent-free.

    student loans is expensive guy. helps to have parents who won't take rent money on the condition you double-pay your loans every month.
     
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