OT: The Semi-irregular Music Thread | Can I Dance to It?

[HandshakeLine]

Stop making excuses for ****

But by pretending there was a mythical golden age, that’s exactly what you’re doing.

I can agree with you that there’s lots of crap out there, but it exists in literally every age of music. Most artistic output is, frankly, not good. We only remember the good stuff because it stands out.

 

[K Fleur]

10,000 could disagree and I'd still be correct and you'd still be wrong

 

[DanielPlainview]

OR being correct isn’t a matter of popularity

 

[HandshakeLine]

Very rarely does one encounter the lyrical and musical genius like Terry Jacks, Morris Hutton, and the guy who wrote “afternoon delight” in one era.

I’m a huge fan of proto-punk and glam rock, but largely because that shit is unrepentantly dumb and primitively simple. But good in any sense beyond dumb entertainment?

 

[Syrinx]

What does suck now, however, is the killing off of local radio and media which had the power to create weird local scenes back in the day.

...and record stores. They were better with vinyl but there was still something amazing into the CD age.

 

[HandshakeLine]

OR being correct isn’t a matter of popularity

Baby boomer spotted.

 

[Syrinx]

Very rarely does one encounter the lyrical and musical genius like Terry Jacks, Morris Hutton, and the guy who wrote “afternoon delight” in one era.

I’m a huge fan of proto-punk and glam rock, but largely because that **** is unrepentantly dumb and primitively simple. But good in any sense beyond dumb entertainment?

They call it "AM Gold" for a reason.

 

[DanielPlainview]

Baby boomer spotted.

Incorrect

 

[HandshakeLine]

For the last time, dad, those Beatles remasters you bought on CD suck, and no, I won’t give you back that Modern Lovers Album you accidentally bought.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Incorrect

You remind me of the weird “bring back the Habsburgs” people that hang out on Wenceslaus Square every Monday. But just for the sake of argument, let’s talk about this mythical golden age- what years and what charts you looking at?

 

[HandshakeLine]

They call it "AM Gold" for a reason.

“The Pina Colada Song” was the pinnacle of civilization. We’re done now.

 

[pistolpete11]

How did Rihanna end up being the 'talentless pop star' example used in this thread? She's a good singer. She's not going to bring down the house like Whitney Houston or someone like that and there's no denying she's as famous as she is because she's also extremely sexy, but she can sing.

 

[DanielPlainview]

But by pretending there was a mythical golden age, that’s exactly what you’re doing.

I can agree with you that there’s lots of crap out there, but it exists in literally every age of music. Most artistic output is, frankly, not good. We only remember the good stuff because it stands out.

I've never claimed there was a "golden age". There has always been bad popular music, novelty songs, kitsch records, etc. That's not really what I'm talking about. What we have at this point is the near complete domination of popular music but a few producers/labels and their canned acts. It's really been this way since the late 90s/early 2000s but you could see it building up in the late 80s. Where we used to have 15-20 number ones over a year, we're now looking at 10-12 and even fewer (fewest being 8 in 2015).

Ke$ha is probably the most high profile example. A string of massive hits in the early 2010s before getting into a lawsuit with one of the rainmen producers, and now, despite putting out a critically acclaimed album, she barely cracks the Billboard 100. Unless you go completely viral (harder and harder to do), you have almost no chance to beat out who the big producers/labels are pimping. That wasn't always the case.

 

[HandshakeLine]

But when wasn’t it the case? The sales charts in the 60s and 70s disagee with that, plus the whole Pittsburgh area was caught up in the payola scandal. Pop music is, more often than not, a manufactured commodity, to the point where non-manufactured pop acts stand out in any era.

 

[DanielPlainview]

The charts of the 60s and 70s show far more variety, so no they don't disagree

 

[Andy99]

Very rarely does one encounter the lyrical and musical genius like Terry Jacks, Morris Hutton, and the guy who wrote “afternoon delight” in one era.

I’m a huge fan of proto-punk and glam rock, but largely because that **** is unrepentantly dumb and primitively simple. But good in any sense beyond dumb entertainment?

You didn’t like “Having my baby” by Paul Anka?

 

[HandshakeLine]

The charts of the 60s and 70s show far more variety, so no they don't disagree

Do elaborate.

 

[Ogrezilla]

Stop making excuses for ****

you not liking something doesn't make it shit.

 

[Ogrezilla]

OR being correct isn’t a matter of popularity

and when discussing art, it's also not a matter of objective fact.

 

[Andy99]

Do elaborate.

Here you go...this should be required listening for everyone...and no, I’m not a boomer, just a lame Gen Xer...

 

[tom_servo]

Can Adele even rap?

 

[DanielPlainview]

you not liking something doesn't make it ****.

Likewise, you liking something doesn't it make it not shit

 

[tom_servo]

For what reason is rap not the justified top genre? Maximalist audio with cutting, extremely concise lyricism.

 

[DanielPlainview]

and when discussing art, it's also not a matter of objective fact.

This might be the biggest lie concerning art that's ever been told. Art is not subjective. Good art is good art, whether its a painting, sculpture, music, architecture, whatever. Whether one can or does appreciate good art may be different, but someone not liking Michaelangelo or Bach or Beethoven doesn't mean they failed to produce great works of art.

 

[DanielPlainview]

For what reason is rap not the justified top genre? Maximalist audio with cutting, extremely concise lyricism.

Music is secondary to the rapping in the genre. Why would it be used as the "top genre"? It almost never even has a melody.