2021 NHL Draft Thread (All draft, lottery, and prospect talk)

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Today I decided to dive into the central division standings to understand the likelihood of the Jackets making the 2021 NHL playoffs. Many members here are finally realizing that it is time to blow it up, or make trades to recoup assets heading into the draft as the playoffs are out of reach. Looking at the current standings:
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GPWLOTLPTSPTS%Proj. Pt TotalGFGADIFFL10L10 Pt%
Florida Panthers191342280.7483625397-3-00.7
Tampa Bay Lightning181341270.75846439257-3-00.7
Chicago Blackhawks211164260.6269636128-2-00.8
Carolina Hurricanes191261250.66746553125-4-10.55
Columbus Blue Jackets21885210.50566072-124-4-20.5
Dallas Stars15654160.5360464062-4-40.4
Nashville Predators188100160.44504257-154-6-00.4
Detroit Red Wings215133130.31353966-273-6-10.35
Average199.572.521.50.576455.12555.1250 0.55
std dev0.1512868596
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Then I decided to look at the projected standings if teams showed regression towards the mean, or improved through the season. Those point projections can be seen here:
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Proj TotalMin PointsMax Points10% Improvement10% regression5% improvement5% regression
Florida Panthers832810288778580
Tampa Bay Lightning842710390788781
Chicago Blackhawks69269674657267
Carolina Hurricanes74259979697671
Columbus Blue Jackets56219160535854
Dallas Stars60169864556258
Nashville Predators50169253465148
Detroit Red Wings35138337333634
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It has been said by multiple members of the media that 63 points is the target number needed to make the playoffs this year. If the Jackets were to hit the 63 point mark, they would need 42 points in the next 35 games. 42 points out of a possible 70, would mean the Jackets need a point percentage of 60% (a 20% increase from the current percentage), and regression from Chicago; worsening their current point percentage by over 10%. They also need Dallas to continue to stink.

6-4-0, 5-3-2, 4-2-4 the rest of the way... the problem is that every game is a four point game.

So, it looks as if the CBJ will finish somewhere in the 5th - 15th OA pick range.
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Current draft class ranking (blue rectangles are the guys I would kill for):
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Just want to say if Jarmo picks another player with a contract in a different league for the next 3-4 years I will riot. It hurts your team when you can’t bring your top prospects over if/when your team needs them.
 
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6-4-0, 5-3-2, 4-2-4 the rest of the way...

When you put it like that it makes me more optimistic that they can make the playoffs.

Current draft class ranking (blue rectangles are the guys I would kill for):

I wouldn't kill for anyone in this draft class. Beniers is the top forward and he isn't a great bet to be a big scorer. Could be the next Nick Foligno, maybe a Landeskog type. It looks like 2012 with a lot of good but not elite D-men available.
 
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Just want to say if Jarmo picks another player with a contract in a different league for the next 3-4 years I will riot. It hurts your team when you can’t bring your top prospects over if/when your team needs them.

Another player?

Draft picks don't help for 3-4 years anyways.
 
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When you put it like that it makes me more optimistic that they can make the playoffs.



I wouldn't kill for anyone in this draft class. Beniers is the top forward and he isn't a great bet to be a big scorer. Could be the next Nick Foligno, maybe a Landeskog type. It looks like 2012 with a lot of good but not elite D-men available.
Michigan is an elite program for developing NHL talent. Look at the recent prospects that have come out of Michigan. I hope they would be much better than Foligno (if they are going 1st round).

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Hughes
Werenski
Connor
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Chinakhov, Voronkov, Marchenko etc.

Yeah, I want these guys playing in the AHL. I think it will help them learn our system (even if I am unsure what it is at this point)

Chinakhov, by the way, is still unsigned for next year. He could come over soon, but he probably won't be helpful in the next couple years anyways. I can't remember when Voronkov and Marchenko's term is up, I think 2022 for Marchenko and 2023 for Voronkov? Those contracts are unfortunately long but if those are the most talented players in those draft positions I'd still take them.
 

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Chinakhov, by the way, is still unsigned for next year. He could come over soon, but he probably won't be helpful in the next couple years anyways. I can't remember when Voronkov and Marchenko's term is up, I think 2022 for Marchenko and 2023 for Voronkov? Those contracts are unfortunately long but if those are the most talented players in those draft positions I'd still take them.
To each their own. Chinakhov has a 3 year extension on the table from Avangard as well.

Drafted Marchenko the same draft as Foudy, I think Marchenko is better now and has more upside. Won’t see him for 2 years, that hurts. And I believe it impacts his ELC which will limit the years we have him cost controlled. Similar to Gavrikov.
 

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Aatu Räty was last year ranking number 1. This season has been rough for him but he is talent true talent.
 

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Chinakhov, Voronkov, Marchenko etc.

Yeah, I want these guys playing in the AHL. I think it will help them learn our system (even if I am unsure what it is at this point)

You'd rather have Marchenko playing in the AHL than SKA Petersburg? And Chinakhov instead of Avangard Omsk? Just shocked if that is your honest opinion. These are pretty much 2 of the 4 best teams in KHL and they're producing. They'll be fine development wise. I can guarantee Jarmo will do everything in his power to get them over the pond as soon as it's possible, it's his skin on the line anyway.
 

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You'd rather have Marchenko playing in the AHL than SKA Petersburg? And Chinakhov instead of Avangard Omsk? Just shocked if that is your honest opinion. These are pretty much 2 of the 4 best teams in KHL and they're producing. They'll be fine development wise. I can guarantee Jarmo will do everything in his power to get them over the pond as soon as it's possible, it's his skin on the line anyway.

Posters want them over here to "learn the system" and if they're in the AHL (making way less money than their KHL contract), the ability to be called up and take the league by storm, both positions are laughable, IMO. I'd much rather them continue to do well overseas and come over when they are ready to easily win a spot in the top 9.

Some old school posters might have a flashback to Moyzakin, who was touted by our first GM, someone who decided to stay at home and earn big money instead of testing themselves in the best league in the world.
 
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Posters want them over here to "learn the system" and if they're in the AHL (making way less money than their KHL contract), the ability to be called up and take the league by storm, both positions are laughable, IMO. I'd much rather them continue to do well overseas and come over when they are ready to easily win a spot in the top 9.

Some old school posters might have a flashback to Moyzakin, who was touted by our first GM, someone who decided to stay at home and earn big money instead of testing themselves in the best league in the world.
They would get top line ice time in the AHL.

And yes I think there is concern that they never come over, I think it’s ‘laughable’ to not have that in the back of your head as well.

I get that they want to make money, but the ELC Is not very much to begin with, and that’s the contract they are going to get from the start.
 
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Current pace for 4th place is 69 points (Chicago). 63 points is only 92 over 82 games and given the games are all within the division (i.e. the "three point games" have more of an impact), I think it's going to take at least 65 to get into the playoffs.

Jackets have to go something like 20-11-4. They've pissed away six points to Nashville (1-3 against them) as all as a point against Detroit (1-0-1). When you struggle against the worst teams in your division, and you're not particularly good against the top teams, you're not going to have a fun time.
 
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To each their own. Chinakhov has a 3 year extension on the table from Avangard as well.

Drafted Marchenko the same draft as Foudy, I think Marchenko is better now and has more upside. Won’t see him for 2 years, that hurts. And I believe it impacts his ELC which will limit the years we have him cost controlled. Similar to Gavrikov.

I think you are exaggerating the costs. Think about how rare it is for 18-20 aged players to make a real impact. It can actually be better financially to start them a bit later - you have them under team control until they're 27, compared to starting a raw guy in the NHL at age 19, and in that situation he probably isn't helping the team much and is going to hit UFA status at an earlier age.
 

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Another player?

Draft picks don't help for 3-4 years anyways.

Some help immediately, some take 4-5 years, some never do. I agree that if we pick continuously in the middle of the pack most of those guys won't provide immediate help.
 

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Chinakhov, Voronkov, Marchenko etc.

Yeah, I want these guys playing in the AHL. I think it will help them learn our system (even if I am unsure what it is at this point)

I look at a guy like Kirill Kaprizov. Drafted in 2015. Developed in the KHL. 23 year old rookie with 15 points in 16 games.

Within our own organization I look at a guy like Gavrikov. Also drafted in 2015. Developed in the KHL. Comes over and is a solid 2nd line defenseman.

Compare that to Grigs’ career. He left Russia and played in the QMJHL. Really learned the North American game early. Went straight to the NHL. Now he has bounced all over. He can play in the NHL, but he is not skilled enough to make a real impact in the NHL. You have to wonder what his trajectory would have been if he played in the KHL for a few years before coming over.

Drafting is a crapshoot. But I have no idea how someone thinks Russian players would develop better in the AHL. Give me a grown man in his 20s who is more mature instead of an 18 or 19 year old kid playing for 70k a year missing home. And let the CBJ save some money (and headaches) while a guy develops in Russia.
 

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I look at a guy like Kirill Kaprizov. Drafted in 2015. Developed in the KHL. 23 year old rookie with 15 points in 16 games.

Within our own organization I look at a guy like Gavrikov. Also drafted in 2015. Developed in the KHL. Comes over and is a solid 2nd line defenseman.

Compare that to Grigs’ career. He left Russia and played in the QMJHL. Really learned the North American game early. Went straight to the NHL. Now he has bounced all over. He can play in the NHL, but he is not skilled enough to make a real impact in the NHL. You have to wonder what his trajectory would have been if he played in the KHL for a few years before coming over.

Drafting is a crapshoot. But I have no idea how someone thinks Russian players would develop better in the AHL. Give me a grown man in his 20s who is more mature instead of an 18 or 19 year old kid playing for 70k a year missing home. And let the CBJ save some money (and headaches) while a guy develops in Russia.
Yea the whole develop him in the AHL is more fear of the player actually coming over versus actually being good enough to play and make an impact in the NHL. If they can tear it up in the KHL sub 23 years old, they can also do well in the NHL. Not a sure thing but there are plenty of examples of this.
 
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