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ColePens

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Mar 27, 2008
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All figures are cap numbers, not salaries.

2017-18 salary ceiling$75,000,000
Projected dollars committed
72,370,000​
2016-17 bonus overage
50,000​
Approximate cap space
2,580,000
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PITTSBURGH PENGUINS

Forward..................................
Pos.
Age
..........2017-18
..........2018-19
..........2019-20
Evgeni Malkin
C​
31​
9,500,000​
9,500,000​
9,500,000​
Sidney Crosby
C​
30​
8,700,000​
8,700,000​
8,700,000​
Phil Kessel
RW​
29​
6,800,000​
6,800,000​
6,800,000​
Patric Hornqvist
RW​
30​
4,250,000​
UFA
Carl Hagelin
LW​
29​
4,000,000​
4,000,000​
UFA
Conor Sheary
LW​
25​
3,000,000​
3,000,000​
3,000,000​
Ryan Reaves
RW​
30​
1,125,000​
UFA
Jake Guentzel
LW​
22​
734,167​
734,167​
RFA
Josh Archibald
RW​
24​
675,000​
675,000​
RFA
Greg McKegg
C​
25​
650,000​
RFA
Bryan Rust
RW​
25​
640,000​
RFA
Scott Wilson
LW​
25​
635,000​
RFA
Tom Kuhnhackl
LW​
25​
625,000​
RFA
Carter Rowney
C​
28​
612,500​
UFA
Defense
Pos.
Age
2017-18
2018-19
2019-20
Kris Letang
D​
30​
7,250,000​
7,250,000​
7,250,000​
Justin Schultz
D​
27​
5,500,000​
5,500,000​
5,500,000​
Brian Dumoulin
D​
26​
4,100,000​
4,100,000​
4,100,000​
Olli Maatta
D​
23​
4,083,333​
4,083,333​
4,083,333​
Matt Hunwick
D​
32​
2,250,000​
2,250,000​
2,250,000​
Ian Cole
D​
28​
2,100,000​
UFA
Chad Ruhwedel
D​
27​
650,000​
650,000​
UFA
Goalie
Pos.
Age
2017-18
2018-19
2019-20
Matt Murray
G​
23​
3,750,000​
3,750,000​
3,750,000​
Antti Niemi
G​
34​
700,000​
UFA
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WILKES-BARRE/SCRANTON PENGUINS

Forward..................................
Pos.
Age
..........2017-18
..........2018-19
..........2019-20
Zach Aston-Reese
LW​
23​
925,000​
925,000​
RFA
Adam Johnson
C​
23​
925,000​
925,000​
RFA
Thomas Di Pauli
C​
23​
742,500​
RFA
Freddie Tiffels
LW​
22​
742,500​
742,500​
RFA
Sam Miletic
LW​
20​
710,000​
710,000​
710,000​
Teddy Blueger
C​
23​
705,000​
RFA
Daniel Sprong
RW​
20​
692,500​
RFA
Dominik Simon
C​
23​
692,500​
RFA
Jean-Sebastien Dea
C​
23​
650,000​
RFA
Garrett Wilson
LW​
24​
650,000​
650,000​
UFA
Greg McKegg
C​
25​
650,000​
RFA
Tom Sestito
LW​
29​
650,000​
UFA
Defense
Pos.
Age
2017-18
2018-19
2019-20
Andrey Pedan
D​
24​
750,000​
RFA
Jeff Taylor
D​
23​
742,500​
742,500​
RFA
Ethan Prow
D​
24​
730,000​
RFA
Lukas Bengtsson
D​
24​
705,000​
RFA
Frank Corrado
D​
24​
650,000​
RFA
Jarred Tinordi
D​
25​
650,000​
RFA
Zach Trotman
D​
27​
650,000​
UFA
Kevin Czuczman
D​
26​
650,000​
UFA
Chris Summers
D​
29​
650,000​
650,000​
UFA
Goalie
Pos.
Age
2017-18
2018-19
2019-20
Sean Maguire
G​
25​
705,000​
RFA
Casey DeSmith
G​
25​
675,000​
675,000​
UFA
Tristan Jarry
G​
22​
630,833​
RFA
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SIGNED PROSPECTS

Player
Pos.
Age
Current team
Contract
Filip Gustavsson
G​
19​
Lulea HF (SHL)​
3 years/775,833 per​
Alex D'Orio
G​
18​
Saint John (QMJHL)​
3 years/716,667 per​
Jordy Bellerive
C​
18​
Lethbridge (WHL)​
3 years/716,667 per​
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UNSIGNED PROSPECTS

Player
Pos.
Age
Current team
Niclas Almari
D​
19​
HPK (Liiga)
Anthony Angello
F​
21​
Cornell (ECAC)
Dane Birks
D​
21​
Michigan Tech (WCHA)
Kasper Bjorkqvist
F​
19​
Providence (HEA)
Jan Drozg
F​
18​
Shawinigan (QMJHL)
Connor Hall
D​
19​
Kitchener (OHL)
Ryan Jones
D​
21​
Nebraska-Omaha (NCHC)
Sam Lafferty
F​
22​
Brown (ECAC)
Zachary Lauzon
D​
18​
Rouyn-Noranda (QMJHL)
Joe Masonius
D​
20​
Connecticut (HEA)
Linus Olund
F​
20​
Brynas IF (SHL)
Antti Palojarvi
D​
18​
Lukko U20 (SML Jr.A)
Nikita Pavlychev
F​
20​
Penn State (Big Ten)
Clayton Phillips
D​
17​
Fargo (USHL)
Will Reilly
D​
19​
RPI (ECAC)
Dominik Uher
C​
24​
HC Sparta Praha (ELH)
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Empoleon8771

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People on the main board are saying a 1st and Wilson for Haula is an overpayment, which is good because I'd do that deal in a second :laugh:

I hope McPhee would feel the same way.
 
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PensandCaps

Beddy Tlueger
May 22, 2015
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I think giving up a 1st for Haula is an overpayment. Wouldn't do the deal but wouldn't complain if the pens did it.
 

Andy99

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I like Haula a lot, but I also value our first this year. It's a good draft and we rarely have a first pick. I'd rather give up a roster player and/or a lower draft pick for him. Only a few centers I'd give a first for....
 

Andy99

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Haula on IR too, any idea what happened?

I mean they're being secretive but he was hit by Tatar in the knee before he got a penalty for fighting during their game with DET. People speculating it's a knee. He's out at least a week. Didn't look particularly serious
 
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Empoleon8771

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I think giving up a 1st for Haula is an overpayment. Wouldn't do the deal but wouldn't complain if the pens did it.

My thought is who cares if it's an overpayment? They're getting a semi long term solution at 3C (at the minimum) when the team is trying to compete right now. I don't think winning the value in trades should be the primary focus of this team. Unless it's something ridiculous, I don't care if the Penguins have to give up an overpayment to bring in someone that helps them, especially if it's only in the form of draft picks.

The Penguins have gotten extremely lucky with getting a **** ton of free prospects to sign with them. It would not be smart to hoard picks to get even more prospects, the Penguins have signed enough undrafted or unsigned prospects where they can afford to move picks without it hurting the future. They've gotten the equivalent of 1 or 2 2nds and a ton of 3rd-5th round picks in the last 2 summers, with signing all of ZAR, Johnson, Bellerive, Milatec, D'Orio, DiPauli, Bengtsson, Prow, Rowney and DeSmith, plus the AHL team signing a couple guys.
 
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Beddy Tlueger
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My thought is who cares if it's an overpayment? They're getting a semi long term solution at 3C (at the minimum) when the team is trying to compete right now. I don't think winning the value in trades should be the primary focus of this team. Unless it's something ridiculous, I don't care if the Penguins have to give up an overpayment to bring in someone that helps them, especially if it's only in the form of draft picks.

Like I said. I Wouldn't mind the trade. Just think It's an overpayment. A guy who is a 30 point player is not worth a 1st imo.
 

PensandCaps

Beddy Tlueger
May 22, 2015
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He had the same amount of points as Wilson last year. Is the difference between them a 1st? Nah.
 

cygnus47

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In terms of quality, I think RNH is probably the most possible target looking at rosters and needs. Colorado wants the world and wants youth which we don't have outside of Sprong. We might be able to finagle Bozak out of Toronto, but we'd have to give up something like Maatta which I think would be a mistake.

Edmonton has young D but they have to play McDavid and Draisaitl together because they don't have wingers that can play with them. Edmonton also needs cap relief over the next few years. Their top 9 would look a lot better with Draisaitl on his own line and Sheary producing (+ a 1st + ~3M cap relief).

Plus Chia is a bad GM which can't be understated.
 

Empoleon8771

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Sheary and a 1st for RNH would be an atrocious deal for Pittsburgh. Take out the 1st and you're a lot closer, I don't know why people act like RNH has serious value. He's an overpaid borderline 2C/3C.
 

Shaffer

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May 20, 2017
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Haula is a match made in heaven. GMGM wants to tank and getting a first for his 3rd line winger is amazing for VGK.
 

Shaffer

GuentzGoal
May 20, 2017
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Did the Haula for Wilson+1st trade on CapFriendly. Approx $505,000 in cap space. IIRC you need about 1m in cap space so you can call up people for injuries unless someone goes on IR.(correct me if I’m wrong) The roster is with Archibald and Rowney playing 13th and 14th foward and Sprong still in minors. The only change made to the team is a swap of Haula and Wilson.

Note: I added the Pens 2018 4th to the trade (VGK own the pick[Mark Steirt trade]) I like to balance out picks in trades
 

Honour Over Glory

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Jan 30, 2012
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Haula is a match made in heaven. GMGM wants to tank and getting a first for his 3rd line winger is amazing for VGK.

You assume he wants to tank, I don't think you know what you're talking about. The VGK are actually a decent team with a solid coach, albeit an idiot for a GM, but they will likely just miss the playoffs in the West. The West is wide open, really wide open.
 
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Honour Over Glory

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And trading Haula? The guy is young, good contract, solid depth player. You'd have to over pay to get a player like Haula off the VGK. He's a part of their identity right now, which they are trying to solidify. Wilson + 1st? No, try Sprong being the guy they want. Yeah, sounds nuts, but not if you're GMGM and giving up a stud player like Haula on a 3yr deal at 2.75m cap hit.
 

Honour Over Glory

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Did the Haula for Wilson+1st trade on CapFriendly. Approx $505,000 in cap space. IIRC you need about 1m in cap space so you can call up people for injuries unless someone goes on IR.(correct me if I’m wrong) The roster is with Archibald and Rowney playing 13th and 14th foward and Sprong still in minors. The only change made to the team is a swap of Haula and Wilson.

Note: I added the Pens 2018 4th to the trade (VGK own the pick[Mark Steirt trade]) I like to balance out picks in trades

The better target is Karlsson, he's producing poorly right now, 1pt in 5 games. There's a good chance Karlsson is probably better as a C than a Winger and they're playing him out of his position which he hasn't looked good in. Which is why Wilson would be more of a better fit for them there, Wilson + 3rd would be a good start.
 
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Fire Sully
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Oh and what do you know, Matheiu Perreault is injured, people here really wanted him for some reason, I said no thanks. There's the reason why, the guy just is not durable.
 

Speaking Moistly

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And trading Haula? The guy is young, good contract, solid depth player. You'd have to over pay to get a player like Haula off the VGK. He's a part of their identity right now, which they are trying to solidify. Wilson + 1st? No, try Sprong being the guy they want. Yeah, sounds nuts, but not if you're GMGM and giving up a stud player like Haula on a 3yr deal at 2.75m cap hit.

I mean... 2nd + Tinordi for Huala + 3rd?

He's one of those GMs where not much would surprise me.
 

Honour Over Glory

Fire Sully
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I mean... 2nd + Tinordi for Huala + 3rd?

He's one of those GMs where not much would surprise me.

GMGM is a tool, no doubt, hell Wilson + 1st probably would get us Haula too given his propensity to over value players that have "playoff experience" and what not, Wilson does and he's young-ish and a guy that just came off a cup win to add to Fleury. But I am going to assume GMGM knows better and hope he doesn't.
 

Speaking Moistly

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GMGM is a tool, no doubt, hell Wilson + 1st probably would get us Haula too given his propensity to over value players that have "playoff experience" and what not, Wilson does and he's young-ish and a guy that just came off a cup win to add to Fleury. But I am going to assume GMGM knows better and hope he doesn't.

I think he'll eventually snap and make some stupid trade but I assume it won't be with us. I don't think Haula is worth a 2018 1st and Wilson, though. It's at least too high if McPhee does something stupid.
 

AjaxTelamon

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To folks worried about the cap problems with PH in three years (Guentzel's deal will largely come from Hags), I'm not sure what to say. You can just trade him or Kessel at that point, as our prime cup window will be ending anyways. If PH goes away next year, then I'm not seeing how you win another cup without a single, consistently effective forward who goes to the dirty areas. Washington has been trying to win like that for years, and they can't even get a sniff.
 
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Empoleon8771

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You assume he wants to tank, I don't think you know what you're talking about. The VGK are actually a decent team with a solid coach, albeit an idiot for a GM, but they will likely just miss the playoffs in the West. The West is wide open, really wide open.

I think where your logic falls off is that you're assuming Vegas has a good team, when in reality they suck and have just had a good start to the season. They almost definitely want to tank.

And trading Haula? The guy is young, good contract, solid depth player. You'd have to over pay to get a player like Haula off the VGK. He's a part of their identity right now, which they are trying to solidify. Wilson + 1st? No, try Sprong being the guy they want. Yeah, sounds nuts, but not if you're GMGM and giving up a stud player like Haula on a 3yr deal at 2.75m cap hit.

They can ask for Sprong all they want, just like I can ask for $100k out of college from any company I want. They'll just have issues making deals with...well, anyone, if that's how they're going to approach negotiations. The idea that a player is only available for an obscene overpayment is some HF bull****, if a GM actually operated like that, he'd be blacklisted immediately (cough Sakic cough).
 

Sidney the Kidney

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This is George McPhee we're talking about, here. Mr. "trade Erat for Forsberg" himself. At this point, JR should offer someone like Hagelin for Cody Glass.
 
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