The Ryan O’Reilly Discussion Quarantine Zone [All ROR Posts Here] (Mod Notes OP)

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Think about this, when Buffalo traded for ROR he was pretty much guaranteed the C during negotiations.

It took one summer and training camp to rethink that entire thing and delay naming captain. That coupled with this comment and I’d really be interested to see how much of a cloud this guy can cast in a room

I think it took one day after signing him to reconsider naming O'Reilly as captain. I know some posters will call foul but try to put yourself in the owner's shoes when you're trying to re-shape the whole outlook of the franchise as a desired place for respected vets to come to, and then the respected vet you just traded for pulls a DWI H&R crash. I don't think the Pegulas were going to need much convincing to trade him. A reset of the timeline, added depth, and restocking picks (per Botterill) and the 7 mil bonus to the guy that embarrassed them on day 2, is all the reason they needed to approve of the trade. Locker room stuff didn't have to be a factor.
 
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So, you're saying its better that he sulk because Justin Falk is getting top 6 NHL minutes... versus coming to the rink with a good attitude day in and day out because he loves hockey, makes a good living, and wants to win?

I think I'd rather have the latter, in that hypothetical scenario sabrebuild presented... wouldn't you? I'm not saying anything mind blowing there.
So you want him to love losing?
 
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Getting rid of ROR reminds me a little of getting rid of Miro Satan. It was for different reasons, but basically it was addition by subtraction.

I don’t really believe this to be true. For the first since Darcy began the tear down of this team, we actually have NHL depth across every line.
 

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Hearing the same miserable tune over and over grinds on the nerves. People around here should know that pretty well.

O'Reilly wasn't the only person saying a lot of the same stuff over and over again when the team was losing.



And as far as the trade goes, who cares, he's gone.

The same thing with Lehner.

It doesn't matter if they are All-Stars and lead the Blues and Isles to the Cup Finals against each other or if they are both cancers that tank their current clubs.

They aren't Sabres. So, turn the freaking page.
 
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ROR had a bad reputation in Colorado too. His teammates were kind with their words but they all said they were all happy to move on.

Not sure what ROR does to rub people the wrong way but something there is not right.

You can see the difference this year with Eichel as captain. Not sure if it was ROR was asked to be something he is not or his attitude. I am also happy we turned the page.

All the people who were upset and complained ROR plays the hard minutes well there are no hard minutes when you are winning. Just ask the leafs.
 
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ROR had a bad reputation in Colorado too. His teammates were kind with their words but they all said they were all happy to move on.

Not sure what ROR does to rub people the wrong way but something there is not right.

You can see the difference this year with Eichel as captain. Not sure if it was ROR was asked to be something he is not or his attitude. I am also happy we turned the page.

All the people who were upset and complained ROR plays the hard minutes well there are no hard minutes when you are winning. Just ask the leafs.

100% nonsense. I can’t believe people are allowed to present falsehood as fact on here, but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised these days.
 

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So you want him to love losing?
I'd want him to come in every day with a good motivated attitude, regardless whether the team is winning or losing... and regardless of how he feels about the effectiveness of Justin Falk/the third D pairing.
 
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I sincerely doubt he preferred feeling bad and losing versus feeling good and winning. Unfortunately, the teams he was on either by accident or by design weren't going to win regardless of how well he played. That's where you start seeing the line between being a leader and not. By all accounts ROR was well liked in the room, but you can't have a guy making the money he was and in the prominent role he was... not having the attitude that every game is winnable. On the ice and off the ice. Especially for the young guys.


Maybe, just maybe, he should've been happy to be making millions of dollars playing a game he loves... and not had an attitude at all? Who gives a **** about Justin Falk.

Childish ear covering lala land.

Nothing matters, but that an adult didn’t pretend that everything was fine after new management came in and built a last place team.

Sad.
 
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Childish ear covering lala land.

Nothing matters, but that an adult didn’t pretend that everything was fine after new management came in and built a last place team.

Sad.
We were a last place team because most of our best players barely showed up to start the season. That includes ROR. I'm not buying that he was terribly upset over the roster changes, but I am buying that he was indeed "Sad." Good call.
 

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100% nonsense. I can’t believe people are allowed to present falsehood as fact on here, but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised these days.
Awww...what part is nonsense? I already posted in the past that Colorado teammates were happy to turn the page WITH links and one was even his friend Duchene.


The part where I am happy to turn the page? You did say 100% nonsense so I must be lying about my own opinion.

Or the part where there are no hard minutes when you are winning?


Perhaps do a little research before you post. Its really sad that you attack someone when you don't even know what you are talking about.

Perhaps you would like to take my rights and freedoms away because that is what you are implying that I should not be allowed to post unless you believe its true. There is a word for that.
 
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We were a last place team because most of our best players barely showed up to start the season. That includes ROR. I'm not buying that he was terribly upset over the roster changes, but I am buying that he was indeed "Sad." Good call.

No, we were not. It’s not even close to correct. Heck, even if we are pretending that Reinhart and O’Reilly were the cause of the slow start, leading to a bad season, then what were they the cause of when Eichel was out and Reinhart went ppg for the last 3 months?

Oh that’s right, nothing because Falk was getting destroyed, along with the rest of the defense and a bottom 6 that was worst in the league. And a goalie combo that couldn’t stop a beach ball.

Now, I know you won’t read any of that, but before you go writing another thread about how it was the good players fault last year, tell me, do you think they will be better this year because Eichel, Reinhart and Skinner are a better top 3 of star players and they will be hot to start, Skinner 0 points, or will it be due to additional pieces like Dahlin, Sheary and a healthy Erod?

I sure suspect having Dahlin alone last year changes things enormously, let alone two additional top 9 quality players.

But hey maybe it’s all feelings.
 

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The facts that settle this argument are unknown. We don’t know if the reason is as dumb as ROR’s public comments or as reasonable as he would go around slapping PPs.

We. Don’t. Know!
 
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No, we were not. It’s not even close to correct. Heck, even if we are pretending that Reinhart and O’Reilly were the cause of the slow start, leading to a bad season, then what were they the cause of when Eichel was out and Reinhart went ppg for the last 3 months?

Oh that’s right, nothing because Falk was getting destroyed, along with the rest of the defense and a bottom 6 that was worst in the league. And a goalie combo that couldn’t stop a beach ball.
I don't really follow the first paragraph. Eichel being out and Reinhart figuring things out the second half of the season doesn't change the fact the season was lost by Thanksgiving. Which doesn't happen if your best players are playing their best at the jump. We had enough talent to not go like 0-20 to start the season.

And for the second paragraph, Lehner not showing up counts as part of our best players not showing up. It was a team effort (or lack thereof).
 
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I am sure it wasn't the 108 PDO in 2013-14 that was the reason for the fall-off.

They were a ****ty team that rode a wave of amazing luck for one season.
Their season was indeed fluky and not sustainable, though not because of a 108 PDO (it was 101.8, which was beaten by two other teams that year, and two teams last year as well, the Leafs & Lightning)
 

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***MOD EDIT (JOSHJULL): I started this thread to keep the Around the NHL thread from getting derailed into a ROR trade battle. ***






John Vogl had another Q&A and mentioned the ROR trade -


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This is not the first time we’ve seen reliable media members say stuff like this.

I was mad when ROR was traded. I hated to see him go. But as much as we may not like it, sometimes it’s best for everyone if a guy moves on and unfortunately I think this was one of those times.
I mentioned at the beginning of last season it really looked like ROR was sulking over not being named captain and his play on the ice left alot to be desired. If the Sabres knew they eventually wanted Eichel to be captain and ROR never had a shot at it, it may have really effected him mentally. Now that he's gone, it sure seems like this team is on the same page so far (I know it's very early).
 

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Vogl occupies a similar mindspace as Bill Hoppe for me. Great when he's reporting facts, but I have no time for his analysis. Frankly, I'd rather get my takes from this board, hockey twitter, and select analytics/national folks than most of this team's most-visible reporters.

Again, I don't expect an accurate overview of team culture from someone who has already been loudly defensive of Housley, and who was so involved in the Lehner piece. This is the kind of take that's expected of someone who has already excused a major factor of poor team performance, and who can't comment on another.

Like, just looking at Lehner alone, you have a guy who:
  • Was comparatively worse at his job than O'Reilly (by a lot)
  • Plays the position most capable of dragging down a team
  • Was in the process of dealing with substance and mental issues
  • Did not possess what we think of as "good teammate body language" on the ice
  • Was probably the most publicly shaded by his teammates
And yet, we're here talking about O'Reilly being a downer. The annoying part is, that analysis doesn't even line up with why the team has been competent.

Unless you think 90 would have poisoned the well with the new acquisitions, virtually every reason we've been good is either new or was already good on the team O'Reilly supposedly sucked the life out of. The only notable exceptions are Girgensons and Beaulieu, and each are finally getting more focused roles. The depth from the Blues deal hasn't even been much of a factor, as Thompson & Sobotka have been sub-replacement.

The biggest positive from the trade - that you probably won't be hearing from Vogl anytime soon - is that it's saved Housley from himself. Skinner has forced Phil to balance offensive deployments across his top six, and Rodrigues' apparent emergence as a checker means that he finally has a defensive unit involving none of his key offensive players.

I'm not sure any of that happens if O'Reilly and his 60% win rate is still around for defensive zone faceoffs.
I was shredded on this board for saying that Lehner was the single biggest reason why we sucked.
 

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I was always weary of O'Reilly because i paid attention to Colorado the season before he was traded. That was the season after they had suprised everybody and got into the playoffs with a very young roster. The season afterwards they disappointed heavily and one of the major concerns was the attitude of those who were supposed to drive the team and amongst them were O'Reilly.

So it's not out of the question that he has a bit of a martyr-attitude. I wouldn't be suprised, it certainly looked that way that he would rather feel bad and live in misery than winning.

He'd have fit in the GDT around here.
 

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Is there really anything to discuss about the trade anymore? Basically it just boils down to, do you believe there was either something wrong with ROR or with the atmosphere that warranted the trade... or do you believe management is full of idiots. Both sides have made their cases pretty clear at this point.
 

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The point of this thread is that O'Reilly discussions are inevitable and it's better that there's a single place dedicated to that purpose than to have them constantly popping up in other threads. If you don't want to read about Ryan O'Reilly, or the trade, then you're perfectly free to not read the thread and not post in it.
 
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