Post-Game Talk: The Russian Bear Wakes Up - Pens Win!

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  1. vikingGoalie Registered User

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    the strange thing was Crosby was out, the team looked like giant killers. He came back and everyone stopped playing with structure watching to see what Sid will do. I don't even think it's a Sid is a problem thing. It's more that the other players play differently when he is out of the line up. or something like that.
     
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    Weird to bring up xenophobia for saying Malkin sucked yesterday but whatever.

    I always viscerally liked Malkin better than Sid as I have a bit of a complex for the "2nd best player" and that Russian heavy metal vid in the nascent days of Youtube so #71 has been my favorite Penguin since he got here.

    Sid has been just as bad as Malkin this year and Malkin was far better last year.
     
  3. CrosbyMalkin Registered User

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    Kind of rough on POJ. I agree that he was not good tonight but expecting a rookie 21 year old defensman to play on the top pairing against one of the better forwards in the game is an impossible assignment. When Pettersson gets back soon POJ can move down a spot.

    Pens played a great game 5v5 and in fact played bit game against NYI good and dominated the ice for the most part. PK and a few knuckle head plays cost us in both games. The first game being the Letang going behind the net when POJ was already there and the Blueger puck over the glass. I think the Pens lines are trending in the right direction and the defensman are starting to get healthy. Matheson has looked fine since coming back. Nothing awesome but also no bad either playing the 3rd most minutes tonight. Ceci seems to be doing okay for the money. I don't mind him as the 6th defensman.
     
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    Sid was an active hindrance when he came back last year.

    When you see your captain and leader half-assing it defensively, at least some of the team is going to slip into those bad habits.
     
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    I wasn't talking about you at all. Was referencing the over the top criticism the guy gets every time he looks remotely average, the constant references to 'doesn't care', 'enigma', 'disinterested', 'wants to go back to Russia' etc from the lame parts of the fanbase that never got over the Jagr drama. These things are not said about other players who play just as poorly. I never see people like @ronduguayshair around when Malkin is playing well, which is most of the time.
     
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    Got it.

    Reflecting back to why I gravitate to Geno so much.

    I really think it was that highlight video just when Youtube was becoming a thing. I was in high school. I think pre-Google acquisition. I'd watch it 2ish times/day.
     
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    I went back over the last two seasons to check some of the advanced stats (eg: CF%, GF%, xGF%, PDO) for various combinations of Guentzel/Rust/Zucker with and without Crosby/Malkin. I had a giant post written up with the numbers, but figured I'd summarize what the numbers show:

    • Malkin has been good in every combination, and is producing above what's expected this season.
    • Guentzel-Crosby has been very good.
    • Rust is good everywhere, but seems to click more with Malkin than Crosby.
    • Crosby's numbers without Guentzel are alarmingly bad. Like, detrimental to the team bad.
    • Despite the "eye test", the Malkin-Zucker combination is actually performing much better this season than the Crosby-Zucker combination did last season.

    I think if you're an advanced stats guy and you're eyeing a lineup change, the logical step, despite my insistence than Crosby-Kapanen will not work, is Guentzel-Crosby-Kapenen and Zucker-Malkin-Rust.
     
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    It sure sounds like at least part of what you're sayin' here is that Malkin shouldn't be tar and feathered for single handedly sinking the team.

    We don't take kindly to that kinda talk 'round here.
     
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    Nah you gotta get a RH PP specialist.
     
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    If the PP specialist can either actually play at ES or doesn't have a delusional ego to think he's a top sixer, that would be fine.

    If Phil were willing to play on the 4th line and got 4-5 minutes a game at ES it would have been fine if he stayed and ran PP1.
     
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    Yes I am. I wish he'd get more love here. Don't think most people are even aware. It's such a sleepy city. :mad:

    For the record Jarry is from Surrey, which is like a 20 minute drive away. Got a personal stake in his success. It's pretty sick having a local boy play goal for my team. Would be sad if he doesn't recover soon.
     
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    It would be nice to see someone other than Zucker on Malkin's LW before making that conclusion, but it's clear that Sullivan's priority regarding the construction of L2 is slotting Zucker where he allegedly belongs.

    There's some irony in Sullivan forgetting a simple lesson from last year the moment Sid returned: When Malkin is going, anything is possible. When he isn't, it's an uphill climb for the team.

    As I've always said, for all his faults, Michel Therrien always got that. His juggling, even some unorthodox shit, flowed from trying to find that spark.
     
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    If both our scoring lines aren't working I welcome trying all sorts of tweaks, that included.

    But given the amount of people calling out Malkin, I'd also try Guentzel-Malkin-Rust before shipping him to the glue factory.
     
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    then why isn't he playing with sid?...... oh! i know, it's the coach.
     
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    If you want to help the PP, you do.

    Sadly, our results there will keep bearing that out until it's addressed.
     
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    Does anyone remember that game in 2009 against Tampa, believe in January, where Malkin just willed the team to a win? He turned into a beast. When he's like that, the whole team follows. It's been like that since he was a teenager in Russia. When he's on a roll the game flows through him in a way we probably haven't seen since Mario. And it can last 30 or 40 games. Bylsma and Sullivan never understood it and it's been one of the great wastes of their tenures.
     
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    I mean, I think they understand it. They just figure he can produce with whatever and Sid needs it more or some asinine stupid thing.
     
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    The team went 18-10 when Sid was out and 7-4 when Geno had his injury. People are trying to make it out like the team only did well when Crosby was injured, but that's simply not the case.
     
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    Because it's not basketball. Team > individuals

    Caps went like 3-0-1 with Ovi, Kuznetsov, Orlov and Samsonov out. Scored 15 goals in 4 games. They were fine and dandy.
     
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    It's weird reading people's posts that are trying to insinuate that having Sidney Crosby on your roster somehow makes your team worse. It's like I'm living in bizzaro world.
     
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    bro we can trade him for like 3 draft picks dawg and like probably a top prospect or something dude
     
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    close, its more that they think it's because of their brilliant coaching.
     
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    No, Sid has been substantially better than Malkin this year.

    Malkin was a top 5 player in the league last season though.
     
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    Players need to adjust to who they are playing with and I hope that second line will find it's footing shortly. That line is key to the Pens being one of the better teams. The third line has chemistry with Reese back and maybe one of the first moves here is who is not a fit for the Pens. Wish McCann was a better player but I am not in the he has potential camp anymore. He simply hasn't done it as a Pen.
     
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    57 points in 109 games as a Penguin. That's pretty much what I hoped for when we acquired him. That's production warranting a 2.94 mil x 2 contract imo. Given that he doesn't play with the big boys, isn't that enough?

    Where were your expectations?

    I agree however that he may be necessary to move if they want to improve the goaltending.
     
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