GDT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Tomlin takes 1 quarter to embarrass us

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  1. Andy99

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    Well, I disagree with that...it's still the same power disparity whether she's contract employee or not...you always have a choice to leave your job unless your employment is a long term contract...maybe she didn't have a lot of options to find other jobs, especially ones that paid as much...and if she's supporting an invalid mother too...she shouldn't have to be forced to choose between making money and having his **** on her back regardless of the employment relationship...
     
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    Yeah. Power dynamics job wise can be huge.
     
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    We all should be taught not to put ourselves in compromising positions; and even with being taught that lesson, we all still have lapses in judgement where our lives are altered forever. It's called life, there is a ton of good in the world and there is a ton of evil as well. Justice?

    Sexual assault is a tough one. It's hard for a victim to prove and it's almost tougher for the accuser to defend, at least in the court of public opinion. But for society to get all #believe.... well that's scary, because it will open up a Pandora's box of injustice.

    There was an ex football player who just went on trial recently where the was video of him pulling a women back in room naked repeatedly. He was found innocent.... with video.
     
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    Yep, It's very hard for the DA to win sexual assault cases as most of them involve issues of consent or lack thereof and it's usually a credibility fight and many times the alleged victim has credibility issues that can be used against him/her...with the burden of proof being beyond a reasonable doubt, conviction rates are low...but that doesn't mean--just because they can't legally be proved sufficiently to justify putting someone in jail for decades--that many of these allegations aren't true...they are...that's why at a lesser burden of proof many victims will pursue civil litigation where he/she just have to show that it's more likely than not that an assault occurred...
     
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    Ya I saw that video... think it was an NBA guy though wasn't it? The video didn't come out until after the trial I think... not sure if double jeopardy would apply since there is new evidence... Andy would probably know that better than me though.

    All I know is I'm not someone else's judge, unless I'm literally on a jury. but seeing a loved one get railroaded by the system will always make it difficult for any prosecutor to approve me during that process anyway.

    While I withhold judgement about guilt, I've seen enough of these situations happen to high profile atheletes and Tyson is one of the only few I can remember in a he said, she said situation to go to jail. Guys like Sharper who admit their guilt are a different situation obviously.
     
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    Double jeopardy attaches...unless they find a new crime based on the video, and even then they’d have to shown the video was newly discovered and they wouldn’t have been able to find it earlier...

    Sharper, like Cosby, had many victims so it’s a lot harder to say, “whoops, I thought she consented.”...also when you drug women, it’s hard to argue consent...lol

    In situations where the defense is consent (not, I never had sex with that person) to a single victim, and there’s no witnesses except the victim, the DA’s odds of a conviction are pretty low...same thing with domestic violence cases where it can be one person’s word against the other and the physical evidence is not determinative
     
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    But what I stated is what his attorney will certainly attempt to portray: she had a choice, she was there consensually, why would she think she has power to dictate the terms of a professional conduct but not persona/relational, etc.
     
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    Double jeopardy would apply unless the elements of a new crime were there. THAT is why there could be theoretically be a civil case while the DA is still gathering evidence.

    There are strict rules and deadlines in civil and criminal cases, however there are constitutionally and statute guaranteed protections to those accused of crimes which can make a case move much more quickly. Meaning if you are the DA you want to have your ducks lined up as much as possible before bringing charges.
     
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    ****, we lawyers will argue any inference that appears reasonable based on the circumstances...that’s our job...
     
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    Lol @ Bill already having to deal with non stop questions about Brown.

    If they dont go to Superbowl this year and then end their run...will be known as the "Curse of the Big Chest" . Will be worse than the Bambino trade

    Watch him have a record setting year yet they end up choking in playoffs ....few drops by him , or a fumble ..etc. Doing something the Pats just dont do in clutch time.

    They're all excited now...on paper looks great but they always win when they dont look like they have the talent. The year they had Moss? Record setting offense..lost. Had Aaron Hernandez with Gronk...two TEs the league couldnt stop...lost. Tho i will say that was only a few years..no doubt he would have made them even more dominant if that never happened. Those two on the same field would have embarrassed the league for a decade.

    Anyway...they win with Hogan dominating...Branch in the past....Troy Brown before that. OchoCinco didnt win. Moss didn't. Brown wont. If he even makes it that long

    I love that this is the first time theres not that " Pats will fix him" now that this came out. Theyrr gonna have to deal with this all year if they keep him. And already traded Demayrius Thomas a day before it did. They'll keep him.
     
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    So it sounds like he sent some texts that could possibly be incriminating.... one mentions something he did to her while she was sleeping (which would then mean it was not consensual.) The other one says at one point that "you made me feel like a rapist." Also sorry if typing that out violates any site rules.... Any chance those could be incriminating?
     
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    That's gonna be really confusing to future sports fans.
     
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    Lol. Yeah not many know him by Mr. big chest do they.
     
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    So the latest:



    But Brown's agent believes him and the 10% commission has zero to do with his defense of this honorable man. He has daughters! (remind me, did Bill Cosby have daughters?).



    Meanwhile the Patriots say nothing to see here, Antonio is practicing with the team. Then abruptly ends the press conference because of too many Brown questions.

     
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    I'm a little tired of the Pats/AB talk.... let those cheaters burn in hell.

    Can we get back to discussing the dumpster fire that is our coaching staff?? Nah... nothing new there to uncover.

    I'll simply post pictures of our coaches:

    [​IMG]
     
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    Classic Belichick press conference. He says just enough to avoid any discipline from the league for dodging media availability obligations, but answers nothing unless it's related to special teams, Navy, lacrosse, Lawrence Taylor, or great fullbacks from the 1950s.
     
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    He even says Brown knew this lawsuit was coming...

    Drew Rosenhaus: Antonio Brown will be cleared

    Yet Dodgy Drew refused to say if the Pats knew ahead of time about this.

    Ok.

    Either the Pats knew or Brown hid this from them, which I can't imagine would make the Hoodie too happy.
     
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    DUMB & DUMBER
     
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    Figured with it being 9/11, this video is haunting as hell. Listen to what he says at the end... damn.

     
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    Man.... I won't go into it here, but there is a lot of sadness, BS and sacrifice wrapped up in the Tillman story. Great man who was killed, one of few deaths of people I didn't personally know that shook me to my core.
     
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    Aaaand just like I said, the fact that the Civil Suit came out first does NOT mean that there is no criminal investigation and possible charges as some were making the argument.

     
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    When he says “what sacrifices did I ever make” my blood went cold.

    Just felt with a selfish prick like Brown dominating headlines today, a true hero needed to be remembered, especially on 9/11.
     
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    Better believe "Pittsburgh " is looking into it. Any other state and maybe they wouldnt.
     
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    Yeah the Tillman saga was just awful. Never sure we got the full story either.
     
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    Unless I misread, the incidents allegedly took place here. So it is appropriate.

    One thing for sure, get a conviction and Zappala could be elected King here if he wanted to be.
     
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