GDT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Playoff Round 1 - Saints vs Steelers

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Funny how Steelers' unblinking Mike Tomlin does everything wrong — and wins

this is amazing, the conclusion is so baffling it beggars belief

People will always find ways to excuse away Tomlin’s incompetence.

The win yesterday doesn’t excuse away that he’s bungled up yet another SB worthy roster.

Pats have faltered this season (for their standards) and left open a first round bye for the Steelers to snatch and Tomlin blew it, as he always does.

Now they are in a fight just to make the playoffs, and will have an extremely tough road to the SB that will involve not only an extra round, but having to go into NE or KC.

 

[ziggyjoe212]

Funny how Steelers' unblinking Mike Tomlin does everything wrong — and wins

this is amazing, the conclusion is so baffling it beggars belief

We may have witnessed Tomlin playing Belichek's game with some off the field trickery. Whatever helps our chances against NE is a plus in my book.

 

[ziggyjoe212]

People will always find ways to excuse away Tomlin’s incompetence.

The win yesterday doesn’t excuse away that he’s bungled up yet another SB worthy roster.

Pats have faltered this season (for their standards) and left open a first round bye for the Steelers to snatch and Tomlin blew it, as he always does.

Now they are in a fight just to make the playoffs, and will have an extremely tough road to the SB that will involve not only an extra round, but having to go into NE or KC.

This roster is no where close to last year's roster.
5 starting caliber players on defense does not scream super bowl in any way. In terms of talent our defense is gotta be bottom 5.

Do people really think someone is going to come in and suddenly do a better job than Tomlin? All the long term HC-elite QB duos in the NFL have a significantly worse success rate than Tomlin-Ben (outside of the Pats of course). I see the Saints, Packers, Panthers, Falcons, and Seahawks as the closest comparisons, and only McCarthy and Rodgers can compete with the Steelers in terms of success. And that's more because Rodgers is far superior to Ben. Not to mention the other HOF caliber QB's who go through a carousel of HC's like Rivers, Luck, Eli.

 

[SouthGeorge]

Weird game. They actually called penalties on the Patriots and dare I say we got a favorable call or two. Usually it's the other way around and we lose because of it. If for some reason we had to play them in Foxboro. We will have to play an even better game because we will get 0 calls. Pretty much confirming what most thought, we'd win this game and lose to them in the playoffs. I really wanted the 1st win in 7 years against them to be in the playoffs for this reason but they needed the win.

 

[cookthebooks]

honestly thought the big pass breakup on juju was pi and the Haden pi was uncatchable

 

[Shockmaster]

honestly thought the big pass breakup on juju was pi and the Haden pi was uncatchable

Despite all the holding penalties that went against the Patriots in that game, there was a pretty blatant hold the refs missed on the same play Haden was flagged for PI. If anything, the down should have been replayed.

 

[USMC607]

He's not worth the 20 mil he wants... that becomes more apparent every game. Nobody misses him. Do they?

Honestly with Conner, and Samuel's doing what theyve done. Technically it should make teams see that Oline is way more important. BUT with that said, someone is going to give him money.

There are GMs out there looking to sign a big name and Bell will be one of them.

I just dont see how you justify giving him more than Gurley (which is what he wants.)

Gurley is younger, has no suspensions (and isnt 1 away from a yr suspension), and has what like 21 TDs so far this yr? (Bells never even been close to 21.)

But someone is going to do it.

It already Rumored the Jets plan on offering him absurd money with more than 40 guaranteed.

 

[SouthGeorge]

honestly thought the big pass breakup on juju was pi and the Haden pi was uncatchable

The biggest indication to me was the holds they actually called that put the Patriots in long situations. That was huge. If not, they probably score a few more times. Usually those go against the Steelers or the phantom holds on kickoffs to pin us deep. Little things the refs do.

 

[USMC607]

He's a petty piece of ****.

I will laugh when no team gives him the stupid contract he wants and he stinks because the run game he thinks he's going to play for, isn't the same that made him a star in Pittsburgh. Grass ain't always greener.



Why would any team want a guy that decides to skip camp and show up when he wants, then the next year, doesn't show up at all. It's not like he was getting **** money thrown at him either, what was it, 14.5m? Maybe he gets hurt and he's screwed.

Sitting an entire year, getting a year older and another year out of your prime is just as stupid.

Honestly I try not to assume things but I'll be be the ass here and assume hes been toking it up, with all that Miami partying hes done...

Wouldnt it be something if a team signs him all that guaranteed and he fails a drug test.

He wouldnt care either he will have his guaranteed money and will just walk to focus on his rap career.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

This roster is no where close to last year's roster.
5 starting caliber players on defense does not scream super bowl in any way. In terms of talent our defense is gotta be bottom 5.

Do people really think someone is going to come in and suddenly do a better job than Tomlin? All the long term HC-elite QB duos in the NFL have a significantly worse success rate than Tomlin-Ben (outside of the Pats of course). I see the Saints, Packers, Panthers, Falcons, and Seahawks as the closest comparisons, and only McCarthy and Rodgers can compete with the Steelers in terms of success. And that's more because Rodgers is far superior to Ben. Not to mention the other HOF caliber QB's who go through a carousel of HC's like Rivers, Luck, Eli.

Again, more and more excuses. It’s the DB argument over and over. Tomlin continues to prove again and again he’s an avg coach being lifted up by the talent around him.

Look at the teams that have won the last few SBs. None of them were littered with all time rosters on both sides of the ball. The Eagles just won with a backup QB and a second year coach. Yet Tomlin has had one of the best rosters in the league for several years now, but let’s use talent as an excuse?

Did you see what BB was working with a couple years ago when they won the SB?

Excuse after excuse for this guy.

Tomlin was gifted a HOF QB and finds ways to f*** it up every single year. It’s happening again, and this is what, the third year now you keep throwing out excuses for him?

It always ends the same with him. Always.

At what point is he held accountable and expected to actually win a SB? Time is running out on Roths career and it may be another 25 years before they find another QB even close to his talent.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

He wouldnt care either he will have his guaranteed money and will just walk to focus on his rap career.

You know it doesn't work that way right?.........

 

[ziggyjoe212]

Again, more and more excuses. It’s the DB argument over and over. Tomlin continues to prove again and again he’s an avg coach being lifted up by the talent around him.

Look at the teams that have won the last few SBs. None of them were littered with all time rosters on both sides of the ball. The Eagles just won with a backup QB and a second year coach. Yet Tomlin has had one of the best rosters in the league for several years now, but let’s use talent as an excuse?

Did you see what BB was working with a couple years ago when they won the SB?

Excuse after excuse for this guy.

Tomlin was gifted a HOF QB and finds ways to **** it up every single year. It’s happening again, and this is what, the third year now you keep throwing out excuses for him?

It always ends the same with him. Always.

At what point is he held accountable and expected to actually win a SB? Time is running out on Roths career and it may be another 25 years before they find another QB even close to his talent.

1) The eagles are a good argument in favor of Tomlin. They had a great year in 2017, lost a couple assistant coaches, and now are mediocre at best. On the flip side Tomlin's teams have been consistently good to elite for his entire 12 year tenure despite several coaching changes.
2) Anyone in America will agree that Tomlin is not BB, but then again, BB has no rivals.
3) There are many HOF caliber QB's in the NFL right now, and the Steelers have been far more successful under Tomlin/Ben than any of them. This includes Brees, Rodgers, Rivers, Newton, Luck, Ryan, Wilson, Eli. So I have no idea what your complaint is here.

So if you expect someone else to come in here and magically do a better job than Tomlin, you're expectations are unrealistic.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

The simple truth is that flip the two rosters and New England would be undefeated and crusing to another super bowl and the Steelers would be in line for the first pick in the draft.

Bellicheck may have done his best coaching job of his career this year with what may be his worst roster in the Brady era.

Tomlin ALWAYS has done the least with the most.

Tomlin is not horrible. But he is not above average at best either.

That is the difference.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

1) The eagles are a good argument in favor of Tomlin. They had a great year in 2017, lost a couple assistant coaches, and now are mediocre at best. On the flip side Tomlin's teams have been consistently good to elite for his entire 12 year tenure despite several coaching changes.
2) Anyone in America will agree that Tomlin is not BB, but then again, BB has no rivals.
3) There are many HOF caliber QB's in the NFL right now, and the Steelers have been far more successful under Tomlin/Ben than any of them. This includes Brees, Rodgers, Rivers, Newton, Luck, Ryan, Wilson, Eli. So I have no idea what your complaint is here.

So if you expect someone else to come in here and magically do a better job than Tomlin, you're expectations are unrealistic.

We have had the same convo going on three years now, and you continue to make the same DB argument.. “no one can do a better job than Dan Bylsma! Regular season all-star record! Just look at it! Nah, just ignore all those playoff failures and his inept coaching and being schooled in the playoffs year after year... did you see that regular season record!”

Every season ends the same, because it’s who Tomlin is. His mistakes and inability to prepare his teams are blatant and he only gets away with it because he has a lifetime job. He’s never had to grow as a coach and learn from his mistakes, because he’s never been held accountable.

So he continues to say the most incoherent shit and fool his bosses, and sadly many Steeler fans who are gullible enough to buy what he shovels.

It’s basically too late for Roth because of the Rooney’s stubbornness to see what Tomlin is, but thankfully Lemieux and Burkle eventually saw what Bylsma was before Crosby and Malkin had their great careers flushed away.

 

[ziggyjoe212]

We have had the same convo going on three years now, and you continue to make the same DB argument.. “no one can do a better job than Dan Bylsma! Regular season all-star record! Just look at it! Nah, just ignore all those playoff failures and his inept coaching and being schooled in the playoffs year after year... did you see that regular season record!”

Every season ends the same, because it’s who Tomlin is. His mistakes and inability to prepare his teams are blatant and he only gets away with it because he has a lifetime job. He’s never had to grow as a coach and learn from his mistakes, because he’s never been held accountable.

So he continues to say the most incoherent **** and fool his bosses, and sadly many Steeler fans who are gullible enough to buy what he shovels.

It’s basically too late for Roth because of the Rooney’s stubbornness to see what Tomlin is, but thankfully Lemieux and Burkle eventually saw what Bylsma was before Crosby and Malkin had their great careers flushed away.

Football is nothing like hockey. Talent matters in hockey, while it doesn't mean much in football. Talented teams like Jaguars went from an elite season in 2017 to a crap team in 2018 with virtually the same roster. Same with Eagles. Brees and the saints miss the playoffs half the time, same with Luck and his Colts. Steelers are not the only team with a HOF QB, but they are one of only 3 to consistently be a true contender every year.

To suggest that the Steelers "deserve" a super bowl based only on talent is ridiculous and incredibly homerish.

To add a different perspective, the Steelers excel when they're the underdog. Perhaps it is good that they are going into the playoffs as the low seed.

 

[Night Shift]

Football is nothing like hockey. Talent matters in hockey, while it doesn't mean much in football. Talented teams like Jaguars went from an elite season in 2017 to a crap team in 2018 with virtually the same roster. Same with Eagles. Brees and the saints miss the playoffs half the time, same with Luck and his Colts. Steelers are not the only team with a HOF QB, but they are one of only 3 to consistently be a true contender every year.

To suggest that the Steelers "deserve" a super bowl based only on talent is ridiculous and incredibly homerish.

To add a different perspective, the Steelers excel when they're the underdog. Perhaps it is good that they are going into the playoffs as the low seed.

So what is Tomlin good at besides inheriting a talented roster? Your first 2 sentences make 0 sense. If the steelers had limited talent on its roster, you actually think Tomlin will save them?

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Football is nothing like hockey. Talent matters in hockey, while it doesn't mean much in football. Talented teams like Jaguars went from an elite season in 2017 to a crap team in 2018 with virtually the same roster. Same with Eagles. Brees and the saints miss the playoffs half the time, same with Luck and his Colts. Steelers are not the only team with a HOF QB, but they are one of only 3 to consistently be a true contender every year.

To suggest that the Steelers "deserve" a super bowl based only on talent is ridiculous and incredibly homerish.

To add a different perspective, the Steelers excel when they're the underdog. Perhaps it is good that they are going into the playoffs as the low seed.

Talent means nothing in football? That’s simple nonsense and one of the most absurd things I’ve ever read on here.

Why don’t teams with avg QBs win the SB every season then?

Almost every SB winner in the modern era has had a great QB, or an all time great defense.

The Eagles won the SB with their backup because of great coaching. Being a Tomlin fan, I’m sure you don’t know what that looks like though.

In almost every case, it’s great talent and great coaching that produces SB wins.

The Steelers have fielded some of the most talented rosters in the league the last several years, and if Tomlin is such a good coach, then why would it be homerish to finally expect a SB win after a decade?

Isn’t that what Tomlin himself says their goal is every season? Isn’t he the one that talks about “higher standards than other org”...?

Those are called expectations that come with the kind of job security he has, with the rosters he has, with the org he coaches for... he’s suppose to reward his boss at some point for his loyalty is he not?

And Tomlin doesn’t just lose in the playoffs, he gets embarrassed. Last season Tomlin was the first coach in the SB era to lose after scoring more than 40 points at home in a playoff game. That’s mind boggling. How many hundreds of coaches have never done something that inept in the last 50 years?

And that’s just the tip of the iceberg with him, sadly.

These embrassing losses aren’t some random bad luck.

They lose because they are unprepared, undisciplined and lack the basic fundamentals to win when it matters.

So once again, you are talking nonsense, just like the last few years.

 

[ziggyjoe212]

Talent means nothing in football? That’s simple nonsense and one of the most absurd things I’ve ever read on here.

Why don’t teams with avg QBs win the SB every season then?

Almost every SB winner in the modern era has had a great QB, or an all time great defense.

The Eagles won the SB with their backup because of great coaching. Being a Tomlin fan, I’m sure you don’t know what that looks like though.

In almost every case, it’s great talent and great coaching that produces SB wins.

The Steelers have fielded some of the most talented rosters in the league the last several years, and if Tomlin is such a good coach, then why would it be homerish to finally expect a SB win after a decade?

Isn’t that what Tomlin himself says their goal is every season? Isn’t he the one that talks about “higher standards than other org”...?

Those are called expectations that come with the kind of job security he has, with the rosters he has, with the org he coaches for... he’s suppose to reward his boss at some point for his loyalty is he not?

And Tomlin doesn’t just lose in the playoffs, he gets embarrassed. Last season Tomlin was the first coach in the SB era to lose after scoring more than 40 points at home in a playoff game. That’s mind boggling. How many hundreds of coaches have never done something that inept in the last 50 years?

And that’s just the tip of the iceberg with him, sadly.

These embrassing losses aren’t some random bad luck.

They lose because they are unprepared, undisciplined and lack the basic fundamentals to win when it matters.

So once again, you are talking nonsense, just like the last few years.

You must think Sean Payton and Andy Reid and Mike McCarthy are awful coaches.

 

[TimmyD]

Talent means nothing in football? That’s simple nonsense and one of the most absurd things I’ve ever read on here.

Why don’t teams with avg QBs win the SB every season then?

Almost every SB winner in the modern era has had a great QB, or an all time great defense.

The Eagles won the SB with their backup because of great coaching. Being a Tomlin fan, I’m sure you don’t know what that looks like though.

In almost every case, it’s great talent and great coaching that produces SB wins.

The Steelers have fielded some of the most talented rosters in the league the last several years, and if Tomlin is such a good coach, then why would it be homerish to finally expect a SB win after a decade?

Isn’t that what Tomlin himself says their goal is every season? Isn’t he the one that talks about “higher standards than other org”...?

Those are called expectations that come with the kind of job security he has, with the rosters he has, with the org he coaches for... he’s suppose to reward his boss at some point for his loyalty is he not?

And Tomlin doesn’t just lose in the playoffs, he gets embarrassed. Last season Tomlin was the first coach in the SB era to lose after scoring more than 40 points at home in a playoff game. That’s mind boggling. How many hundreds of coaches have never done something that inept in the last 50 years?

And that’s just the tip of the iceberg with him, sadly.

These embrassing losses aren’t some random bad luck.

They lose because they are unprepared, undisciplined and lack the basic fundamentals to win when it matters.

So once again, you are talking nonsense, just like the last few years.

Yeah but like how do you know if the next guy will be better? He could come in and not win in the playoffs but have really good regular seasons

 

[TimmyD]

You must think Sean Payton and Andy Reid and Mike McCarthy are awful coaches.

Andy Reid chokes every season so no he really isn’t that great. While Sean Payton and Mike McCarthy have been gifted great QB’s they have had nowhere near the supporting casts that Ben and Tomlin have had. Payton or McCarthy would have 1 or 2 more rings with the Steelers then Tomlin has

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

Weird game. They actually called penalties on the Patriots and dare I say we got a favorable call or two. Usually it's the other way around and we lose because of it. If for some reason we had to play them in Foxboro. We will have to play an even better game because we will get 0 calls. Pretty much confirming what most thought, we'd win this game and lose to them in the playoffs. I really wanted the 1st win in 7 years against them to be in the playoffs for this reason but they needed the win.

If we were already a lock for the playoffs..that wouldnt have happened lol

Def favored us a bit. Pats getting called for holding multiple times wiping out big gains? Never happens. Even at the end there...that holding call was huge. They would have tied it if not for that.

Steelers are a big draw...they wanted us in. Not to mention finally beating the Pats is a big story..in case of rematch or whatver. Or it was Goodells way of making us have to deal with Tomlin for more years...him finally beating the Pats and keeping his job...that f***

 

[turd]

I think it’s funny how the Tomlin bashing goes up the day AFTER he outcoaches Belichick.

 

[Night Shift]

I think it’s funny how the Tomlin bashing goes up the day AFTER he outcoaches Belichick.

Every blind squirl can find a nut once in a while.

 

[The Old Master]

Every blind squirl can find a nut once in a while.

? ……...nah I'm not going there again.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

You must think Sean Payton and Andy Reid and Mike McCarthy are awful coaches.

So two guys that got fired because they couldn’t get it done in the playoffs.... ummm... and your point is?

Hey, remember when John Fox was fired in Denver after going 13-3, 13-3 and 12-4 because he couldn’t get it done either?

What did Elway say when he fired such a “successful” coach... oh right, he didn’t think he could get it done when it mattered.

What happened after Fox was fired, despite doing all that regular season winning?