The Pittsburgher Thread - Steelers/Football talk

[The Sodfather]

I believe Wentz’s cap hit is the biggest any team has ever had to eat...

I've never seen an organization crash and burn so soon after winning a SB. They had two great QB's, a great defense and a offensive minded head coach with fresh ideas. Now that are a complete train wreck.

 

[The Sodfather]

I'm so intrigued by Darnold.

You're right about the bust rate of the top QBs because they so often go to garbage organizations/situations. Chicken or egg.

I am as well. He's a good athlete, scrambles and runs well. Plus he has a good arm. Plays for a trash organization. Colts got a good deal for Wentz and the Rams probably way overpaid for Stafford, so who knows what Darnold will cost.

 

[ChaosAgent]

I've never seen an organization crash and burn so soon after winning a SB. They had two great QB's, a great defense and a offensive minded head coach with fresh ideas. Now that are a complete train wreck.

The fresh ideas became un-fresh in a hurry.

Plus I guess the team really didn't believe in the chosen QB, after all.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I've never seen an organization crash and burn so soon after winning a SB. They had two great QB's, a great defense and a offensive minded head coach with fresh ideas. Now that are a complete train wreck.

Wentz was legit as hell... he set the rookie completion record, then was the front runner for league MVP the next year... then blew out his knee and he was never really the same.

Injuries just kept piling up for him after that and the Eagles also gave up a boatload of picks to land Wentz, so I suppose that didn’t help.

They did manage to stockpile high picks though, so Wentz never being the same obviously was their biggest issue.

 

[KIRK]

Wentz was legit as hell... he set the rookie completion record, then was the front runner for league MVP the next year... then blew out his knee and he was never really the same.

Injuries just kept piling up for him after that and the Eagles also gave up a boatload of picks to land Wentz, so I suppose that didn’t help.

They did manage to stockpile high picks though, so Wentz never being the same obviously was their biggest issue.

Their OL going to hell over the last two years certainly didn't help.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Their OL going to hell over the last two years certainly didn't help.

Probably not, but Wentz was like a young Roth before the knee injury.

Doubt a bad line would have stopped him from being great if that injury never happened.

If I recall correctly, it was on a goal line sneak or something really innocuous.

 

[The Sodfather]

Their OL going to hell over the last two years certainly didn't help.

For sure. He played pretty well against the Steelers last fall, but he took a beating.

 

[The Sodfather]

Probably not, but Wentz was like a young Roth before the knee injury.

Doubt a bad line would have stopped him from being great if that injury never happened.

If I recall correctly, it was on a goal line sneak or something really innocuous.

Yeah it was. Really innocent looking play.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Yeah it was. Really innocent looking play.

I guess it was worse than I remembered:

 

[DanielPlainview]

If anyone in the Steelers FO is seriously contemplating taking Jamie Newman in the draft, they should be fired

 

[KIRK]

Probably not, but Wentz was like a young Roth before the knee injury.

Doubt a bad line would have stopped him from being great if that injury never happened.

If I recall correctly, it was on a goal line sneak or something really innocuous.

It was a pass play. Diving for the endzone, someone from the Rams dove into his knee and hit it just wrong. Happens so much, so I wouldn't call it innocuous so much as a fluke.

 

[KIRK]

For sure. He played pretty well against the Steelers last fall, but he took a beating.

Reminded me of the Chiefs decimated OL in the Superbowl. The snap, and it isn't long before you're running for your life.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

It was a pass play. Diving for the endzone, someone from the Rams dove into his knee and hit it just wrong. Happens so much, so I wouldn't call it innocuous so much as a fluke.

Ya I found the replay above. I remembered the goal line part right I guess.

Sometimes all it takes is one really bad play and a future star turns into an avg player.

 

[KIRK]

Ya I found the replay above. I remembered the goal line part right I guess.

Sometimes all it takes is one really bad play and a future star turns into an avg player.

Not sure how much is the knee eroding his skills and how much is just a case where when he finally came back, the downward trajectory of the Eagles was starting, and he just kind of went with them (where the OL exacerbated and accelerated things).

I suppose we'll know soon enough, because there aren't many situations better with having Frank Reich and all the pieces, including on the line, the Colts have offensively.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Not sure how much is the knee eroding his skills and how much is just a case where when he finally came back, the downward trajectory of the Eagles was starting, and he just kind of went with them (where the OL exacerbated and accelerated things).

I suppose we'll know soon enough, because there aren't many situations better with having Frank Reich and all the pieces, including on the line, the Colts have offensively.

I don’t think there is any way to really know, but he never looked the same to me after that injury.

Could be an eroding team around him, or the effects of the knee lingered and messed with his confidence.

Maybe both - doesn’t really matter though because he’s gone now.

You think you have a ten year perennial Pro Bowler and a couple years later he’s traded for meh.

That’s gotta be tough to take as an Eagles fan.

At least they have some actual playoff wins and a SB in the last five years though, so I’m not going to feel too badly for them.

 

[KIRK]

I don’t think there is any way to really know, but he never looked the same to me after that injury.

Could be an eroding team around him, or the effects of the knee lingered and messed with his confidence.

Maybe both - doesn’t really matter though because he’s gone now.

You think you have a ten year perennial Pro Bowler and a couple years later he’s traded for meh.

That’s gotta be tough to take as an Eagles fan.

At least they have some actual playoff wins and a SB in the last five years though, so I’m not going to feel too badly for them.

 

[JTG]

I've never been a student of the draft, I don't have the patience for it. However, I am somewhat conservative when I do look at the team and their needs. My feeling is they should go center/guard, tackle or the other way around. Then maybe RB. Having said that, where does taking Trask equal good value for the Steelers if they don't have to move to take him?

I am anti-taking a QB unless we know that Ben isn't coming back, and even then, I'm not the biggest fan of this QB class. I think Lawrence will be very good. If Wilson can make the transition to playing under center, I think he has potential to be good. I am most intrigued by Trey Lance, but he's going to need time. If Ben retires and Lance is there, I'd seriously consider taking him.

Value is intrinsic to the person you talk to. Some guys here are strong on Trask in the 1st round. I'd personally lose my mind if they did that. If he were there in the 3rd round, I think that's good value.

 

[JTG]

I don’t think there is any way to really know, but he never looked the same to me after that injury.

Could be an eroding team around him, or the effects of the knee lingered and messed with his confidence.

Maybe both - doesn’t really matter though because he’s gone now.

You think you have a ten year perennial Pro Bowler and a couple years later he’s traded for meh.

That’s gotta be tough to take as an Eagles fan.

At least they have some actual playoff wins and a SB in the last five years though, so I’m not going to feel too badly for them.

That whole situation is weird. I think Peterson had a lot to do with that. From what I have read Peterson did and said some real unorthodox things to what was considered a franchise QB. I like Wentz, and the truth will come out in the wash, but I could see him going to Indy and lighting it up. The thing with Indy right now is that their offensive line is so incredibly dominant, the skill positions almost don't matter.

Wentz will have a fantastic running game there, and he will remain upright.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

That whole situation is weird. I think Peterson had a lot to do with that. From what I have read Peterson did and said some real unorthodox things to what was considered a franchise QB. I like Wentz, and the truth will come out in the wash, but I could see him going to Indy and lighting it up. The thing with Indy right now is that their offensive line is so incredibly dominant, the skill positions almost don't matter.

Wentz will have a fantastic running game there, and he will remain upright.

Ya, he had no real weapons with the Eagles outside of Ertz (who has gone down hill).

So that didn’t really help his cause.

Wentz is a guy I’d love to have had, especially given the price.

I think he would have done quite well in Pgh, as he’s the closest QB to Roth I’ve seen come into the league since ‘04.

He apparently didn’t handle himself well in Philly, however. So have to consider that as well, since there were rumors of issues in the locker room and with the org.

 

[The Sodfather]

Ya I found the replay above. I remembered the goal line part right I guess.

Sometimes all it takes is one really bad play and a future star turns into an avg player.

*see also, Jackson, Bo.

 

[The Sodfather]

That whole situation is weird. I think Peterson had a lot to do with that. From what I have read Peterson did and said some real unorthodox things to what was considered a franchise QB. I like Wentz, and the truth will come out in the wash, but I could see him going to Indy and lighting it up. The thing with Indy right now is that their offensive line is so incredibly dominant, the skill positions almost don't matter.

Wentz will have a fantastic running game there, and he will remain upright.

Pros are a different animal. Saban, Petrino and Spurrier couldn't hack it in the NFL. Carroll has done fine, but it didn't start out well for him. Can't handle grown-assed men like 17-18 year old high school kids.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

*see also, Jackson, Bo.

Ya I was thinking of him as I wrote that.



That one I remembered well and it was a nothing play supposedly. His left foot just went out a little awkwardly and it blew out his hip - sometimes that’s all it takes is a fluke.

“He doesn’t appear to be seriously injured”

Just a slightly bad take with hindsight.

He popped his hip out and severed a blood vessel, so he was bleeding inside his hip and all of his cartilage died.

Needed a hip replacement and he was done.

Gruseome as hell.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Ya, he had no real weapons with the Eagles outside of Ertz (who has gone down hill).

So that didn’t really help his cause.

Wentz is a guy I’d love to have had, especially given the price.

I think he would have done quite well in Pgh, as he’s the closest QB to Roth I’ve seen come into the league since ‘04.

He apparently didn’t handle himself well in Philly, however. So have to consider that as well, since there were rumors of issues in the locker room and with the org.

There were a lot of questions about Wentz's leadership and whether he commanded the locker room.

Obviously in the cosmic scale of things these pale in comparisons to the questions about Ben's...potential criminality...but in the sense of getting a franchise quarterback it's quite important.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

If anyone in the Steelers FO is seriously contemplating taking Jamie Newman in the draft, they should be fired

He checks the boxes In Tomlins ideal QB and depending on the round would not be worse then Dixon or Dobbs

 

[DanielPlainview]

They don’t need a project 3rd string QB