The Panarin Situation, Part 2

[Viqsi]

Previously on the Panarin thread...

Portzline in his Q&A today.

Q:

Is it insane to have growing hope that Bread signs with the Jackets prior to the deadline? Have the feeling Bob is gone, but may go “all-in” on a run this year (assuming #9 is back) and fingers crossed Merzlikins is a successful NHL net-minder? Merzlinkins is the consensus #1 player in Latvia after all......

A (from Portzline):

Not sure it meets the definition of 'insane,' no. But it's a touch crazy. If he doesn't sign with them before Feb. 25, I think Panarin is gone. I think he has to be gone. I think they're keeping Bob through the deadline and the playoffs and worry about him in the off-season, but Panarin will be death with by the trade deadline. They'll come out of the meeting in late January with a clear sign if he's willing to sign with them. If he's not, they have to trade him. They can't do the gentleman's agreement thing. They can't do the "hope he changes his mind" stuff like the Islanders did with Tavares. There are some who believe Panarin will or has changed his mind and would consider Columbus now, but until that comes from Bread or Milstein, it would be reckless to believe it. Strap in. Gonna be a while six weeks.

Live Blue Jackets Q&A with Aaron Portzline at 1 p.m.

No explanation why he thinks "they have to trade him," if there's no clear indication he'll sign.

It's a poopy quote in general. It seems to imply Panarin/his agent have said he won't consider Columbus, even though I don't think that's actually happened.

I just hasn't not happened. Which we all know. Ostensibly, Portzline has information the average fan is not privy to, and makes his conjectures based on that. But there's nothing offered that suggests anythign he says in this response is based on such information.

When Panarin walks in free agency it will become apparent to all as to why he should have been traded. Especially after another 1st (or at best 2nd) round exit.

You and Portzline know stuff I don't know, I feel left out.

I'd need an explanation of why the Jackets wouldn't do an "own-rental" with Panarin. Which club needs him this Spring more than the Jackets do?

No team needs him more, and no team has more to lose by losing him.

You guys are literally not looking past this season.....

Jarmo, is not.

And now... THE EXCITING CONCLUSION! G-d willing.

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[major major]

Porty is not making a lot of sense to me.

"If they trade Panarin, I think they try to go "big-game hunting" as a way to give the players and fan base an emotional push. Matt Duchene and Mark Stone in Ottawa are guys to keep in mind, UFAs on a team that's DOA."

Why would you rent out Panarin and then rent in Stone / Duchene? You net maybe a 2nd round pick out of that?

Wouldn't "big-game hunting" be keeping Panarin, given that he's the highest value rental?

Is Portzline just thinking in cliches here "can't lose him for nothing" and then not realizing that Panarin is just another rental, like Stone or Duchene?

 

[Viqsi]

Porty is not making a lot of sense to me.

"If they trade Panarin, I think they try to go "big-game hunting" as a way to give the players and fan base an emotional push. Matt Duchene and Mark Stone in Ottawa are guys to keep in mind, UFAs on a team that's DOA."

Why would you rent out Panarin and then rent in Stone / Duchene? You net maybe a 2nd round pick out of that?

Wouldn't "big-game hunting" be keeping Panarin, given that he's the highest value rental?

Is Portzline just thinking in cliches here "can't lose him for nothing" and then not realizing that Panarin is just another rental, like Stone or Duchene?

Maybe he's thinking there's a better chance of retaining one of those guys.

 

[major major]

Maybe he's thinking there's a better chance of retaining one of those guys.

The question and the rest of his comment are clearly about deadline rentals, so it's in that context.

 

[Viqsi]

The question and the rest of his comment are clearly about deadline rentals, so it's in that context.

True, but it could be a subconscious thing. "Sure, they're rentals. But maybe, just maybe, they could be, y'know, MORE than that."

 

[Inquiring Minds]

True, but it could be a subconscious thing. "Sure, they're rentals. But maybe, just maybe, they could be, y'know, MORE than that."

Especially when the rental (or his agent) isn't on record as saying "He's just not that into you."

 

[spintheblackcircle]

 

[CBJWerenski8]

 

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I wonder if my preacher would be offended if I asked him to prayer for Panarin
to resign with the Jackets?

 

[CBJWerenski8]

 

[EspenK]

Well, that should be an important step in this whole mess. Anything short of "let's start negotiating now and have it done before the TDL" is not going to be real encouraging to me. I don't want to see the Jackets get Tavaresed. If it isn't the start of solid negotiations then I think a trade is in order.

 

[CBJx614]

Remember when everyone said how terrible NYI would be without Tavares?

They're 1 pt out of a playoff spot and have 2-3 games in hand..

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Remember when everyone said how terrible NYI would be without Tavares?

They're 1 pt out of a playoff spot and have 2-3 games in hand..

Things sometimes happen when teams are routinely counted out and embarrassed by the mainstream media. Look at Colorado last year, Us after finishing last in 2011-12, and as you pointed out the Isles this year.

Bringing in Barry Trotz and having Matthew Barzal to fall back on helps too. If you're implying we'll be fine without Panarin, well, point us to our Barzal.

 

[JacketsDavid]

If High Banks existed a few years ago we likely would have signed Zherdev to a lifetime contract with that kind of commitment

 

[Madifer]

NYI has limited short/medium term potential; while CBJ can win the Cup.

This slump has to end; right now. There is enough time to figure shit out and to be in top form by April.

Panarin was quite visible and quite dangerous last night. He is selling himself very well.

 

[MAHJ71]

Remember when everyone said how terrible NYI would be without Tavares?

They're 1 pt out of a playoff spot and have 2-3 games in hand..

They also upgraded with a HOF coach, and have someone just as skilled as Panarin in Barzal..who should only continue to get better. Both of which have been huge for them.

Jackets have Panarin and that's about it in terms of that level of a player. We don't have a Barzal that can lessen the blow of losing Panarin.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

Bringing in Barry Trotz and having Matthew Barzal to fall back on helps too. If you're implying we'll be fine without Panarin, well, point us to our Barzal.

Dubois is having an equally good, if not better season.

 

[MAHJ71]

Dubois is having an equally good, if not better season.

You think PLD is on the same level as Barzal?

PLD is good, and getting better... but I'm not taking him over Barzal any day of the week.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

You think PLD is on the same level as Barzal?

PLD is good, and getting better... but I'm not taking him over Barzal any day of the week.

He's been better this year. That's just true.

 

[Cowumbus]

He's been better this year. That's just true.

No it’s not.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

No it’s not.

20% more even strength points
Better plus minus, Barzal's 2nd worst on his team

Barzal crushed him last year. Not so far this year.

 

[Jackets16]

(rank on their team)

Dubois (20 years old) -42gp, 16g (2nd), 21a (2nd), 37pts (3rd), +6 (t6th)

Barzal (21 years old) - 41gp, 12g (3rd), 26a (1st), 38pts (1st), -5 (22nd)

 

[Cowumbus]

20% more even strength points
Better plus minus, Barzal's 2nd worst on his team

Barzal crushed him last year. Not so far this year.

Barzal isn’t playing with Panarin and Atkinson. Barzal is one of the most skilled players in the league and could score every shift. Dubois while good is not the same player, not even remotely as dangerous.

 

[Jackets16]

Even Strenth

Dubois - 15g, 17a, 32pts

Barzal - 9g, 15a, 24pts

 

[Jackets16]

Barzal isn’t playing with Panarin and Atkinson. Barzal is one of the most skilled players in the league and could score every shift. Dubois while good is not the same player, not even remotely as dangerous.

He could score every shift, but only has 9 even strength goals. He's a great player, but come on.