The Oilers Are Close To Making Some Serious Noise

Bryanbryoil

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Ultimately the way that I see it we need upgrades on: Gagner, Whitney, Potter, Petrell, and Smyth.

Smyth IMO was signed for one year too many and he is so slow at this point that I cringe at the thought of seeing how slow he'll be next season.

We need to cut ties with Whitney as soon as possible, the good thing is that as it stands he's our #5 defenseman now so it's much easier to replace the current version of Whitney than when he was at his best.

Gagner looked a bit stronger physically by my eye last night but maybe a tad slower as well. I'm still not convinced that he's the guy to center this teams 2nd line when we start to make some real noise in the playoffs, maybe he proves me wrong because management can't get an upgrade anytime soon or he finally breaks out?

Potter is self explanatory, IMO he isn't enough of a specialist to warrant a spot in the top 6. Fistric would probably be a good replacement.

Petrell works hard and I don't mind him, he's a bit player but I'd like a little more toughness in his spot.

Our top 4 on D looks solid, Petry and Smid look to be a tough to play against pairing that can also get the puck up ice. Both are very good skaters which always helps when you match up against the leagues best.

Nick and Justin Schultz bring solid defensive positioning and stick work which is also very effective. Justin adds elite offensive ability from the blueline as well which was something that we've lacked for a long, long time.

Hall-RNH-Eberle are coming into their own, Hall's speed and tenacity bring one dimension to the line, RNH's vision and defensive stick work brings another and Eberle's elite hands yet another.

Yakupov can play either side and when he gets a feel for the NHL game should be an impact player. Hemsky as always brings skill to his line, if he is fine with a secondary role and he can stay healthy he will be a much needed secondary scoring option.

Hartikainen will be Smyth's heir apparent, bigger and stronger than Smyth ever was and faster than Smyth as well, even if Harski never develops the hands around the net that Smyth does his screening ability and strength down low will be a great asset to the team. Horcoff or a player like him will be fine in a 3rd line center capacity, a little better speed and faceoff ability would be nice actually.

A motivated Ben Eager is a very valuable player, very few big men can skate like Eager can and he shows a legitimate mean streak out there with some "crazy" mixed in which can be an asset. Belanger brings a PK element and is a faceoff specialist who can also get under the opponents skin a bit.

Dubnyk's worth as a #1 goalie is TBD, but IMO he hasn't been given enough time to show if he is capable or incapable of filling that role.

As it stands if we have all hands on deck and everyone is pulling in the same direction, this team could see its first playoff action since our Game 7 loss to Carolina. Even if the team doesn't change much I don't see too many teams that would be eager to face us in the 1st round. With the skill that our team possesses we could still score in bunches and beat teams that carry the play for much of the game. Things are finally starting to look up for this team and once they get a taste of winning they will detest losing even more. Most of them have seen what the basement looks like, now they are all dying to see what the penthouse looks like and once they get there I'm pretty sure that they'll want to do what it takes to stay there.
 

BowDangles

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As it stands if we have all hands on deck and everyone is pulling in the same direction, this team could see its first playoff action since our Game 7 loss to Carolina. Even if the team doesn't change much I don't see too many teams that would be eager to face us in the 1st round. With the skill that our team possesses we could still score in bunches and beat teams that carry the play for much of the game. Things are finally starting to look up for this team and once they get a taste of winning they will detest losing even more. Most of them have seen what the basement looks like, now they are all dying to see what the penthouse looks like and once they get there I'm pretty sure that they'll want to do what it takes to stay there.

I think this team can make the playoffs and do it consistently for a while but if I am a team like LA, I would be licking my chops at facing a team like Edmonton in the first round. They would just physically break us down game in and game out.. I specifically recall a game last year where Morrow tried to hit RNH and fell over.. Well in that game Dallas absolutely destroyed us physically.. it was quite embarrassing..

I am hoping the Oiler's can turn into a Detroit style of play where they are really slippery and hurt you on the score board instead of your body..
 

molsonmuscle360

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We need Smyth for the playoffs, he's going to be slow to start the season, he was slow to start out the Spengler Cup to, he just needs to warm up a little. If we are hoping to make the playoffs, and maybe even do some damage there, we need Smyth around for that.

I agree with Petrell, I actually think Harti should be in his spot right now, and MPS in Harti's spot on the third line.
 

Master Lok

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Things are different in the playoffs. If the Oilers make the playoffs, I see them as pretenders. They have to be much better defensively and can't depend on the powerplay to pull them through.

It's only one win. We're not contenders yet.
 

molsonmuscle360

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Things are different in the playoffs. If the Oilers make the playoffs, I see them as pretenders. They have to be much better defensively and can't depend on the powerplay to pull them through.

It's only one win. We're not contenders yet.

The Oilers could be very very dangerous in the playoffs. They could also get blown out of the water, matchups will matter drastically there. If we end up running into a big nasty team, then yeah, there is a good chance we get pushed out quickly. But if we play more of a transition team, then I think we can make it through the first round at least. Which would be a huge confidence boost for the future for the kids.
 

Bryanbryoil

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Things are different in the playoffs. If the Oilers make the playoffs, I see them as pretenders. They have to be much better defensively and can't depend on the powerplay to pull them through.

It's only one win. We're not contenders yet.

We are not contenders for the cup yet but I could see us knocking a team out in the 1st round. A solid goaltending performance paired with our offense and we could take down a pretty good team IMO.

The only teams in the west that IMO we wouldn't have a chance at taking down would be LA and St. Louis.
 

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I'm interested in seeing how some of these guys get going once they've played for a few weeks to be honest. The older guys haven't played any games for months. It is going to be some time before we see them in actual game form. I will wait to make my judgements then I think.

I didn't see anything from the team last night to make me think they were ready to be a serious playoff contender. But its the first game of the season. I need a few more than that before I can get a solid read.

In Smyth's defense, I thought he was great on the PK last night (all the forwards were). He looked slow and fell down a little too easily, but didn't look terrible by any means. At least in my estimation.
 

Aerchon

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"Ultimately the way that I see it we need upgrades on: Gagner, Whitney, Potter, Petrell, and Smyth.

Smyth IMO was signed for one year too many and he is so slow at this point that I cringe at the thought of seeing how slow he'll be next season.

We need to cut ties with Whitney as soon as possible, the good thing is that as it stands he's our #5 defenseman now so it's much easier to replace the current version of Whitney than when he was at his best. "


Gagner and Whitney, after all of one game, look like the weakest links but with the win they both managed to play well enough despite thier poor performance. The rest are more than good enough for thier small roles on the team.
 

CupofOil

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We are not contenders for the cup yet but I could see us knocking a team out in the 1st round. A solid goaltending performance paired with our offense and we could take down a pretty good team IMO.

The only teams in the west that IMO we wouldn't have a chance at taking down would be LA and St. Louis.

I hate to be a buzzkill here but this kind of talk is way too premature.
They beat a Vancouver team that was playing way below their usual level of play with a mediocre, disjointed performance and still have tons of question marks.
I would be very surprised if they made the playoffs this season nevermind advancing past the 1st round.

The top 6 in particular is just not geared to play well in the playoffs as is, way too easy to play against IMO and i still don't have full trust in Dubnyk just yet.
I actually like the defense, there is a lot of upside with that group and a nice mix of defensive and offensive guys but there are still too many question marks as of now.

Lets just be happy that the team is 1-0 and is headed in the right direction. As Stauffer has pointed out, 18-22nd in the league should be a realistic expectation. Anything more than that is a bonus for this group that hasn't proven anything just yet.
 

PaPaDee

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Lots of good observations, but it's only game 1. I'd give it some more time before declaring certain players need replacing. However, IMO our biggest needs remain: strong power forward capable of playing top 6 minutes, and a top 4 Dman. In an ideal world, I'd like to upgrade Gagner into a bigger, more physical center as well.
 

misfit

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I don't see Whitney being here next year, but to suggest we need to cut ties with him immediately based on one game is a little extreme, no?

Gagner is fine as the #2, and I don't worry about him being able to compete in the playoffs at all. Stoll was a concern in '06 too, but we had Horcoff and Peca doing all the heavy lifting, and Stoll's line didn't end up seeing much in the way of meaningfull minutes in the playoffs. This team is set up much the same way up front (with a checking line to face toughs at EV and a PVP top line).

If there's one thing that was clear after he left, it's that Smyth is a tough guy to replace. If you try to break it down by physical atributes, then just about everyone in the league is an upgrade. Lots of guys are bigger, and just about everyone currently collecting an NHL (or AHL) paycheque is faster and has a better shot. He does need to be replaced since he likely doesn't have many years left, but Hartikainen has a long way to go before we can plug him in as a replacement.

Replacing Potter and Fistric or replacing Potter WITH fistric is hopefully a non-issue because the ideal situation would be adding a top 4 guy at the deadline and pushing them both out altogether.
 

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I honestly think Whitney is getting a bum rap. Even last night, while he is a step slower, he showed that he has one of the best first passes on the team, and can still play in all scenarios. Just can't replace a guy like that at the drop of a hat.

Keep in mind he hasn't seen any game action in a long time. Let him get a couple of games under his belt.
 

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WeridAl

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The 1st 10 games the Oilers should do well, but these older teams by then will have knocked the rust off and things will get tougher and maybe a bit more physical. Hartikainen is't meant to play the 3rd line, he has the size, but his defensive awareness and skating make him a poor fit. MPS would be a better candidate for that role. Smyth needs to be used sparely or he'll get burnt out 20-30 games. IMO it was a bad signing and I could see 1yr, but 2yrs.

It's going to be a interesting next 4 weeks.
 

Eytinge

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I see no problem with Petrell. He's big, physical, can skate and a good on the PK. Him and Eager on the 4th line will cause a lot of havoc for the opponents. Agreed about Whitney though. I think with the A getting taken from him and him being on the bottom pairing, the team is already getting ready to walk away from him this summer.

Loving Smid and Petry, as I did last year. I always was big on Smid, and Petry is really amping up his physical play along with his great stick and skating. Hopefully his shot is a little more fine tuned this year, since he has a hammer but misses the net a lot. We can throw those two out against any top line in the league and I feel they can handle it.
 

McJadeddog

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I honestly think Whitney is getting a bum rap. Even last night, while he is a step slower, he showed that he has one of the best first passes on the team, and can still play in all scenarios. Just can't replace a guy like that at the drop of a hat.

Keep in mind he hasn't seen any game action in a long time. Let him get a couple of games under his belt.

yeah... its way, way, way too early to judge whitney... lets have this conversation again in 15-20 games

even with as slow as he looked last night, and he did look slow, his first pass was very good nad he can play on my bottom pairing any day

but yeah, lets wait a month or a month and a half and see then
 

0ilerman

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A healthy Ryan Whitney can be this team's best offensive d-man. I don't see him here long-term either, but still think he'll play a big role in any success this team has in 2013. J. Shultz is the real deal, but sending him out to be the #1 offensive d-manevery night, is setting him up to fail.
 

McGoMcD

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I don't think we need a upgrade on any of these guys to compete. This team will compete and win, the big question in my mind is do they do it before the cap becomes a issues. Eventually we will have to look at losing players. Adding more, well that may be a luxary we never have.
 

McGoMcD

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A healthy Ryan Whitney can be this team's best offensive d-man. I don't see him here long-term either, but still think he'll play a big role in any success this team has in 2013. J. Shultz is the real deal, but sending him out to be the #1 offensive d-manevery night, is setting him up to fail.

I agree. Them taking the A away sort of signaled that they don't care to resign him. However, if he is healthy, he will be a big part of any playoff push we make this year.
 

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Agreed about Smyth. He is just going to slow down as the season wears on. But I also agree that he is a perfect role model for Harski and they should do some good work together.
 

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We are in no ways close to making a push if you think we need to get rid of 5 or 6 players. Let's be realistic here: the Oilers are underdogs. Any playoffs and beyond would be above expectations for 90% of the league. We just need to keep building from within, and once we're a piece or two away pull the trigger on a trade. I'm not even sure we need to make a trade down the road because we have a lot of good foundational pieces for a franchise like Eberle, Hall, RNH, Yakapov, Schultz and Smid.
 

Aceboogie

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On our way to a making some serious noise in the 9th place position. To be fair, From 14th to 9th is a major improvement.

There is always the chance we make playoffs but im not going to bet to much on it. Too many scenarios have to go correct to have a legit shot. This season I am all for going all in for the playoffs. I see alot of leafs posters saying either playoffs or finish low to get Mackinnon. I am completly fine with 9/10th. It will build confidence and fire in the young guns
 

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