SoupNazi
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- Feb 6, 2010
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Tanking vs. "Rebuild on the Fly."
Discuss it here.
Keep it out of other threads.
Discuss it here.
Keep it out of other threads.
I'd argue that icing the current roster as a cap team is pretty darn embarrassing.I hate the word tank. It's what Mtl did last season. I know some of their fans embraced it, but goddamn that was some of the most embarrassing **** I've seen from a respectable hockey franchise. Sometimes I wish they'd relegate the last place team to the minors and bring the top minors team up, like they do in some sports, instead of rewarding abject failure with high picks.
I'd argue that icing the current roster as a cap team is pretty darn embarrassing.
Lots of people want to shout 'parity' from the rooftops. Isn't the ultimate equalizer in terms of competitive rebalancing, the fact that the teams that finish worst get the best chance at acquiring the best new players?
If you don't want the Wings to intentionally lose games, I get it, but this franchise has zero chance at ever winning another championship without acquiring multiple high-end players, at positions that are VERY difficult to acquire.
I'd argue that icing the current roster as a cap team is pretty darn embarrassing.
Lots of people want to shout 'parity' from the rooftops. Isn't the ultimate equalizer in terms of competitive rebalancing, the fact that the teams that finish worst get the best chance at acquiring the best new players?
If you don't want the Wings to intentionally lose games, I get it, but this franchise has zero chance at ever winning another championship without acquiring multiple high-end players, at positions that are VERY difficult to acquire.
Realistically, I don't think the difference between picking 7th and 15th this year is that drastic. 2 weeks ago I wanted us to full on tank, but after doing more research on the draft prospects, I honestly don't think picking in the 6-9 range is going to get you a player significantly better than if we pick in the 15-17 range.
You know what's actually embarrassing? Treading water and going nowhere for a decade. Ask the Flames how that felt.
One of the things I've always been proudest of the Wings for is their ability to remain competitive without intentionally losing for the benefit of a better draft slot.
We don't have the successors to keep this thing going. We need to find them. They are not on this team. So it's a matter of -- what's the best way to do that? I think we know the answer, we just don't like the answer. We want to believe we can beat the odds. It's amazing that we did what we did with Datsyuk and Zetterberg to gap two completely different cores like we did. To expect to do that again with how far scouting has come is just.... I mean it's a hail mary and a half.
They aren't tanking. There's nothing to discuss.
With that said, I will hate tanking on purpose for a draft pick. It's weak and sends a bad message to the team and believe it or not to certain fans. The Red Wings are a proud franchise and players realize this despite whether or not we're cup contenders or a bubble team.
I didn't get to reply in the last thread so I'll just leave my opinion here.
One of the things I've always been proudest of the Wings for is their ability to remain competitive without intentionally losing for the benefit of a better draft slot.
To me that is part of the core philosophy of the team, and should be a given in all of professional sports. Losing should not be sought after or rewarded.
The day the Wings intentionally lose games for the sake of draft position is the day they are no longer the team I fell in love with as a child.
I fully agree with the tank crowd that under no circumstances should we be looking to add to the team in order to continue the streak. However, I do think they should do everything in their power with the current team to try and continue it.
Ideally I'd like to see Mantha, Larkin, AA and some of the kids on defence step up and become the future leaders and stars we'll need to return us to cup contention. Having them turn this season around would go a long way in their growth.
I like the approach to a retool. It's just that I think Holland has done it in a NOT clear way. He's done things to indicate stagnant plans and done things portraying aggressive plans.
Holland has stated numerous times the way to compete in today's NHL is through drafting and development. That's the plan. It's the only way. He's also not going to ice a roster full of kids. He wants veteran players around to help. I don't see why this is so hard to understand for some people.