The Official Pierre "high five" Dorion Thread | Part II

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  1. Chezzz

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    Again, how is this measured?? The media had to sell the fans on this hire, so they went out of their way to make him seem like he is the best scout the league has ever seen, backed up by quotes from his golfing buddy.

    Is Dorion responsible for the drafting of Jim O'Brien (2007), Jared Cowen (2009), Jacob Culek (2010), Stefan Noesen, Puempel, Curtis Lazar, Cody Ceci....these are all very underwhelming first round draft picks. Sure Karlsson turned out fantastic, but you are stating that he has turned this organization into a drafting super power and that seems to be far from the truth. Our farm system is a joke, if our team was such a drafting super power, we would be beaming with prospects.

    Did he hit it big with some late round gems? Absolutely, Mark Stone, Hoffman, Pageau. But really, once you hit the later rounds of the draft, its basically a lottery ticket.

    Look at the draft history, while it looks ok, its not nearly as good as you believe.

    List of Ottawa Senators draft picks - Wikipedia
     
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    Sens Amateur Scouts:
    Trent Mann - Chief Amateur Scout
    Mikko Ruutu - Cheif European Scout
    Justin Murray - OHL/QMJHL
    Georger Fargher - OHL/US
    Don Boyd - WHL/BCHL/US
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    11 Amateur Scouts

    Our problem lies in Pro Scouting

    Jim Clark - Chief Pro Scout
    Bob Janecyk - European (assuming he has incriminating photos to still be here)
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    4 Pro Scouts
     
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    Well no, it isn't. That's where good scouting comes into play.
     
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    I guess we see it differently. I accept your point of view, but just disagree.
     
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    Upgrayedd Earn'em and Burn'em

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    Lol, this makes sense and makes you laugh and then cry....ol pennypincher would call this lean and mean tho!
     
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    That was the rumour going around prior to the expansion draft .... yes rumour, so put as much stock in it as you like ....... but the VGK passed on a lot of players on other teams, and got a few good deals in the process.
     
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    Would you know the league average?
     
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    JungleBeat Fire Dorion

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    Have to agree with this. Our scouting gets overhyped a bit too much. Yes, we hit late round gems like Stone,Hoffman and Pageau but our first round track record is underwhelming. 2012 -2014 where awful drafts.
     
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    I think we earned the reputation as a good drafting and developing team from 92-01, but 02-07 we were awful at the draft table and although we drafted Karlsson in 08, we haven’t been that great in the last decade or so, especially in the first round.

    Lots of hype around White, Chabot, Brown, Batherson and Formenton, but there was lots of hype around Cowen, Lazar and others that didn’t pan out too. Not trying to say our young guys won’t work out, but I’ve learned to temper my expectations over the years.

    We’ve also traded too many picks in recent years.
     
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    do you think late round picks are picked out of a hat?
     
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    One thing I like about Dorion is he has let the kids play in Bingo and hasn't hyped the prospects like Murray did. There is some patience to the prospects and Boucher and Dorion have taken a ton of heat over it, so good for themfor sticking to their guns.
     
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    JungleBeat Fire Dorion

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    Patience doesn’t mean much when our AHL system in the worst in the league.
     
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    Nothing to see here, just rebuilding with nothing in the AHL and no 1st rounder next year or money to keep anyone around.

    Hot dogs are amazing though. It's almost as if a baseball executive was put in charge of a hockey team and his #1 solution was better tube-steaks.
     
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    Nope, just think there is a little more luck involved than most people think.
     
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    And further more do you have a current reliable source to support your answer and your claim? :laugh:
     
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    I thought it was a dart board ... where did you hear this about a hat?
     
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    Boucher and Dorion deserve all the heat they get..They earned it big time.
     
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    A bit dated, but in 2014, silversevensens did the research, and pegged the average at a touch over 17 (and growing, he had it at 14 in 2012). Ottawa at 13 both years, which ranked 26th and 25th in the league respectively

    NHL Scouting Departments: A League-Wide Survey

    Important note, what's not indicated in the numbers above is how many are full time, the link does touch on that, for example, stating that 6 of StL's scouts are part time.
     
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    The Sens have 2 part time Scouts, both out of the States.
     
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    my sarcasm meter is broken so i cant tell if you are messing the Count or what but for my part from the first post it was from each team's website. probably not spot on at any time but it shows a pattern.
    other teams are around 20 and we are around 11-13 i guess.
    because of course "you dont need to be a cap team to win, you just need to be smarter, draft and develop players better than the others" - paraphrasing The Euge who was full of **** every time he said it, as he he no intention of following through
     
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    just messin'
     
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    We have 15 Scouts this season
     
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    they should hire someone to update their website :sarcasm:
     
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    Pretty sure all Dorion does is hype prospects.
     
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    As did Bryan Murray when he was GM. He doesn’t get an F, but it’s not much higher for me.
     
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