Daffy
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His name will never appear on the Cup so the spelling is irrelevant
That's not true. Once we get a new owner and win the Cup, we will put in fine print "f*** Melnyk"
His name will never appear on the Cup so the spelling is irrelevant
Yes. Prickly. But I also found a great deal of information, not focusing on the matter of fact style of talking.
I don't think Cyril has been in this type of position, to be fair. He had it relatively easy compared to what this guy signed up for. But Cyril was very clearly a company man, and kissed the ring as Tuna eloquently put it lol. He would have had Melnyk's back as this COO did. To suggest otherwise also begs the question.
I'm sorry you find the analysis poor, but I just don't think people can listen well when they have "Won't Get Fooled Again" in the background, or "Killing in the Name" in the background haha.
I'm sorry you find the analysis poor, but I just don't think people can listen well when they have "Won't Get Fooled Again" in the background, or "Killing in the Name" in the background haha.
Does he post here by any chance?
He absolutely posts here, I have no doubt.
I listened to the interview, and I don't think there is anything he could say that would not garner a different response. Quite frankly. The moment he opened his mouth, daggers are being sharpened.
Fans, particularly the ones here, are passionate and that's going to illicit emotional reactions so I concede that at times reactions may be more pronounced. However, the very fact that people may not listen well because of a pre-existing negative "bias" as you are arguing is still a huge problem and demonstrates clearly the lack of trust. Quite frankly, it doesnt matter who is right on how we got here or if the organisation thinks its unfair. That is how people feel and it needs to be addressed not p***y footed around. To me the solution is evident and simple - provide the fans with transparency, back your words up with actions and if you expect investment from the fans demonstrate recipricol investment.I don't think Cyril has been in this type of position, to be fair. He had it relatively easy compared to what this guy signed up for. But Cyril was very clearly a company man, and kissed the ring as Tuna eloquently put it lol. He would have had Melnyk's back as this COO did. To suggest otherwise also begs the question.
I'm sorry you find the analysis poor, but I just don't think people can listen well when they have "Won't Get Fooled Again" in the background, or "Killing in the Name" in the background haha.
The COO's interview was horrendous. Nobody in this organization has a clue
Melnyk Dorion Boucher are three clowns who have no business being apart of any NHL team. This guy is another clueless moron to join the team
What was informative to you?I did not find anything that the COO said last night "horrendous"...... in fact I found it informative if anything.
I'm curious as to what you thought was "horrendous" though.
I also would like to hear what @ianmendes thought about what the COO said last night, and if the reaction some people are having are warranted.
Did he provide anything new that you hadn't already known?All of it.
Did he provide anything new that you hadn't already known?
Did he provide anything new that you hadn't already known?
Did he provide anything new that you hadn't already known?
Not all of it, but a great deal of it I simply interpreted objectively.This suggests that you are saying that ANY criticism of the interview can be outright dismissed, by fabricating a false causal association between criticism of the interview and poor listening/crirical thinking skills.
I'll say this again - it is a poor argument, and bad reasoning. You have a background in law - you should know better than anyone here why this is an awful argument.
You make some good points, but what you see as disingenuous , I see as something else. Being treated a certain way by many angry, irrational posters has allowed me to formulate exactly who I am debating with, and the type of people they portray here. I think you are giving "your side" of the argument far too much credit. Yours is very balanced, but others...not so much.Fans, particularly the ones here, are passionate and that's going to illicit emotional reactions so I concede that at times reactions may be more pronounced. However, the very fact that people may not listen well because of a pre-existing negative "bias" as you are arguing is still a huge problem and demonstrates clearly the lack of trust. Quite frankly, it doesnt matter who is right on how we got here or if the organisation thinks its unfair. That is how people feel and it needs to be addressed not ***** footed around. To me the solution is evident and simple - provide the fans with transparency, back your words up with actions and if you expect investment from the fans demonstrate recipricol investment.
All that said I think it is a bit disingenuous to say that people are not capable of separating emotion and actively listening to the content that was delivered, which quite frankly, was disconnected, rambling answers that at no point answered the questions being asked or the questions I have as a fan. All I could think of was Billy Madison and the industrial revolution question -
Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
I did not find anything that the COO said last night "horrendous"...... in fact I found it informative if anything.
I'm curious as to what you thought was "horrendous" though.
I also would like to hear what @ianmendes thought about what the COO said last night, and if the reaction some people here are having, is warranted.
You don't have to do anything. Team is in the dumpster. Lots of people abandon the team, others stick around.Shows once again what a POS this owner is, why do we absolutely have to support this guy (Melnyk) again?
Which itself was the complete opposite of informative.No, just a rehash of stuff that came out of the town halls last year.
Sure the early date of when he expected the re-build to shift into the next phase are a bit optimistic if you ask me.
But still, suck for a few seasons, then as the "window" opens, spend as necessary.
a great deal of it I simply interpreted objectively.
Not all of it, but a great deal of it I simply interpreted objectively.
I did not find anything that the COO said last night "horrendous"...... in fact I found it informative if anything.
I'm curious as to what you thought was "horrendous" though.
I also would like to hear what @ianmendes thought about what the COO said last night, and if the reaction some people here are having, is warranted.
Well, we're going to have to agree to disagree on that one. I honestly don't think you did.
I can't see how anyone could apply unbiased logic to what was said last night and come to the conclusion that it was anything other than deliberate obfuscation of context and an attempt to deflect criticism by way of diversionary dialogue and stalling conversational tactics.
I did, and my computer froze! Sorry for the cliffhanger, wasn't my intentColadin,
If you are going to make statements like this, it would be a much more effective discussion to go and and express specifically what you heard and interpreted differently. Simply telling others they are wrong doesn't really move a discussion forward. Explaining what you heard differently would be much more useful.
No need to even show how others are wrong - just show what you heard.
(Note I'm jumping off your post, but this applies to many posters across the spectrum of opinion).
How about essentially telling the fans to be excited about there being a cap floor. However exactly that came out, my jaw dropped it came off so bad. No, that's not a silver lining to anything and never a thing any organization should say to their fans.I did not find anything that the COO said last night "horrendous"...... in fact I found it informative if anything.
I'm curious as to what you thought was "horrendous" though.
I also would like to hear what @ianmendes thought about what the COO said last night, and if the reaction some people here are having, is warranted.