Speculation: The Official Offseason Roster Discussion Thread

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Hawkey

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You just have to get lucky. There's no magic formula. Even drafting in the top 10 doesn't guarantee you superstar talent.

I'd also argue that you don't need "superstars" to be a top team. It helps, but plenty of teams without superstars at the top of the league. Vegas and Carolina come to mind.
So get lucky is the plan. Yes you can find stars anywhere in the draft but the probability drops as you go further down. But these teams all have true top players and not just a full lineup of mediocre players.

Until this team finds legit stars this positive talk of growth doesn’t mean much. They will remain a middling team until they can find the new Toews, Kane, Keith.
 

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So get lucky is the plan. Yes you can find stars anywhere in the draft but the probability drops as you go further down. But these teams all have true top players and not just a full lineup of mediocre players.

Until this team finds legit stars this positive talk of growth doesn’t mean much. They will remain a middling team until they can find the new Toews, Kane, Keith.
Cat is close to being that guy. Dach has potential. This team desperately needs a top pairing defenseman.
 

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So get lucky is the plan. Yes you can find stars anywhere in the draft but the probability drops as you go further down. But these teams all have true top players and not just a full lineup of mediocre players.

Until this team finds legit stars this positive talk of growth doesn’t mean much. They will remain a middling team until they can find the new Toews, Kane, Keith.
Yes, just because teams draft in the Top 10 repeatedly doesn't guarantee much, otherwise Buffalo and New jersey would be farther along and Edmonton as well. If they didn't get lucky with McDavid all their top picks got them nowhere. Philly finally gets the number 1 overall and get Nolan Patrick yikes! The Hawks need a legit number 1D more than anything.
 
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RememberTheRoar

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Cat is close to being that guy. Dach has potential. This team desperately needs a top pairing defenseman.

How much is Seth Jones worth to this team if Columbus is actually willing to move him?

Are any of the D in this or next year's draft likely going to be as good as Jones will be over the next 5-7 years -- even if you win the lottery?
 
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I was thinking the same. Teams have to get lucky with picks

Kyle Connor 17th
Barzal 16th
Oshie 24th
Dcat 39th
Pastrnak 25th
S.Aho 35th
Guentzel 77th
Kucherov 58th
Marchand 71st
Point 79th
Mark Stone 178th

I agree somewhat.

Top Ten in points this year

McDavid - 1st
Draisaitl- 3rd
Marchand- 71st
Marner- 4th
Matthews- 1st
Rantanen- 10th
Kane- 1st
McKinnon- 1st
Crosby- 1st
Huberdeau-3rd

also have to put yourself in position to be picking top end talent.
*only team with a top ten player in points not in the playoffs*
 
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How much is Seth Jones worth to this team if Columbus is actually willing to move him?

Are any of the D in this or next year's draft likely going to be as good as Jones will be over the next 5-7 years -- even if you win the lottery?

If he becomes available they should offer up anything short of Dach or Cat if they think they could resign him

This player would open up the window again. He's that good

He immediately slots every other D in the spot they should be in
 

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If he becomes available they should offer up anything short of Dach or Cat if they think they could resign him

This player would open up the window again. He's that good

He immediately slots every other D in the spot they should be in
That’s where I’m at too. Him, Cat, and Dach is a pretty solid core.

You’d really need one of Mitchell, Beaudin, or Kalynuk to step into the offensive/pp specialist role — assuming Boqvist is the core piece going the other way.

Also, not saying I want to trade Boqvist for the f*** of it, this is a legit #1 D we’re talking about in Jones. Anything short of that, no way I’d consider trading Bo.
 

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That’s where I’m at too. Him, Cat, and Dach is a pretty solid core.

You’d really need one of Mitchell, Beaudin, or Kalynuk to step into the offensive/pp specialist role — assuming Boqvist is the core piece going the other way.

Also, not saying I want to trade Boqvist for the f*** of it, this is a legit #1 D we’re talking about in Jones. Anything short of that, no way I’d consider trading Bo.
You don't trade Boqvist for a rental.

I was hearing that Jarmo is just going to keep his pending UFAs again and ride it out.
 
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Kaners Bald Spot

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you expect this team to be worse next year and somehow get the #1 pick?
Yeah, I expect them to be worse next year, regardless of whether or not Toews comes back.
Lankinen isn't going to play as well early and they're not going to have a large percentage of their schedule against Detroit and Columbus. Everyone in their division is a lot better than the Hawks. Dallas will be healthy, and Nashville kills the Hawks right now. They might be able to tread water with where they are right now if Dach/Boqvist take a huge leap forward. If Toews plays, how good will he be?

Remember, going into this season we all expected them to be borderline historically bad. I really like Dach, but he doesn't move the needle that much until he proves that the skill can be translated into production. I think he's a year or two away from really taking off.

I'm also not a huge JC guy so I expect them to continue to bleed scoring chances and goals until he's gone. Even if they improve, they might get out of the bottom 5 in that category at best. They were the worst team in scoring chances allowed and it wasn't particularly close.
 
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You don't trade Boqvist for a rental.

I was hearing that Jarmo is just going to keep his pending UFAs again and ride it out.

Hawks would have to get permission to talk to his agent. I'm sure if they blow CBJ doors off to make the deal they would be willing to pay the man.

Between the big contracts Toews and Kane have coming up soon, the unlikely factor a guy like Dach gets a monster second deal, all the money coming up the next couple years and Seabrook plus Shaw money being on LTIR they could pay him 10 million no questions asked as the back bone of our next core.
 

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I think even if some of the kids end up 1 or 2D we need to at least one top pairing guy in the 27-30 age range to bridge the gap until they're ready. I expect he will come to the Hawks via trade rather than FA. FAs want to go to teams who are competing now.
 
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Kaners Bald Spot

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I think even if some of the kids end up 1 or 2D we need to at least one top pairing guy in the 27-30 age range to bridge the gap until they're ready. I expect he will come to the Hawks via trade rather than FA. FAs want to go to teams who are competing now.
I'd trade for him ...but anyone other than Kane, Toews, Dach, Cat, Kubalik and Boqvist. If you can't get it done without including any of those guys, then you wait it out a year and take your chances.

The only D you could get me to trade anyone on that list for are Makar and Heiskanen and that's not happening.
 

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I think even if some of the kids end up 1 or 2D we need to at least one top pairing guy in the 27-30 age range to bridge the gap until they're ready. I expect he will come to the Hawks via trade rather than FA. FAs want to go to teams who are competing now.
Genuine question, how do you think we're supposed to trade for a top pairing defenseman in his prime?

Those trades never happen. We'd have to mortgage the team's future.

As for free agency, the top Dmen are Dougie Hamilton, Tyson Barrie, Adam Larsson, and Alec Martinez.

We're not going to overpay for Hamilton or Barrie. Larsson probably re-signs with Edmonton. Martinez isn't top pairing.

So while I agree with your sentiment, I don't see how it happens.
 
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