Speculation: The Official Horrible Trade Proposals Thread: Part 2, Have a Drink

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Good to see Carolina looking for a goalie still. Also good to see Chicago looking (Darling?)

I might be willing to trade a 2019 1st if we are 1000% convinced that Gru is a legit answer. If he is, playoffs are not out of the question and then the pick becomes much less valuable than would appear. But then you also run the risk of Darling 2.0 and it might be a high lottery pick.
 

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Good to see Carolina looking for a goalie still. Also good to see Chicago looking (Darling?)


If any of those teams gives a 1st for Grubauer, they are nuts. Could see Lou doing it though since he traded #8 for Schneider a few years ago, and he has 2 firsts. If I were the Caps I would lean that I think I can get a 1st too because the Islanders could really use a goalie pre- July 1
 

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If any of those teams gives a 1st for Grubauer, they are nuts. Could see Lou doing it though since he traded #8 for Schneider a few years ago, and he has 2 firsts. If I were the Caps I would lean that I think I can get a 1st too because the Islanders could really use a goalie pre- July 1

It would take a rare instance for me to give up a #1 for a goalie. The pick would have to be a late 1st and the goalie would have to be an established starter. While maybe the most important player on the ice, picking a goalie is a crap shoot. You are just as likely to draft a capable starter in a late round as in the first. The Canes have just had uncanny bad luck (or we keep breaking them) in drafting goalies since Ward. We haven't seen a success yet.
 

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With Lehner going UFA and a limited number of teams looking for a goalie of his caliber, I wonder if he’d be willing to sign a short-term “show me” contract here. He’d be all but gifted the starter’s role and if he performed at the .920 level like he used to, he’d be able to seriously cash in.
Honestly can we afford not to? It's to the point where we will have to overpay someone to come in because our situation in net is so dire.
 

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Honestly can we afford not to? It's to the point where we will have to overpay someone to come in because our situation in net is so dire.

That’s kind of what I’m wondering. Say we offer him 2 years at $4M. That’s a continuation, at the same dollar amount, of the short deal he signed with Buffalo prior to last season. Obviously he had a rough ride with the Sabres and his stock has gone down. There’s no way he gets $5M with any kind of term this summer, with guys like Andersen and Bishop making that kind of money.

So maybe he looks at the $4M, short term deal and thinks... I’ll be 27, maybe 28 when this is done. I play well, and I get a $30 million payday somewhere. If I pass this up for more term somewhere, I’m past 30 and may never have that chance again.

I dunno. Frankly I don’t want to play hardball with this guy, we need a damn goalie and we need him now. But I wonder if we could basically just use him to “bridge” ourselves to 2020 and finally bring someone up on an ELC by that time.
 

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That’s kind of what I’m wondering. Say we offer him 2 years at $4M. That’s a continuation, at the same dollar amount, of the short deal he signed with Buffalo prior to last season. Obviously he had a rough ride with the Sabres and his stock has gone down. There’s no way he gets $5M with any kind of term this summer, with guys like Andersen and Bishop making that kind of money.

So maybe he looks at the $4M, short term deal and thinks... I’ll be 27, maybe 28 when this is done. I play well, and I get a $30 million payday somewhere. If I pass this up for more term somewhere, I’m past 30 and may never have that chance again.

I dunno. Frankly I don’t want to play hardball with this guy, we need a damn goalie and we need him now. But I wonder if we could basically just use him to “bridge” ourselves to 2020 and finally bring someone up on an ELC by that time.
If you don't want to play hardball you have to come with an offer he can't refuse. 2 yr at $4m might be enough, but 2 years at $4.5m would be better. Never ideal to have to really overpay, but when it comes to us and goalie, we aren't in a position where we can afford not to.
 

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If we're willing to give him that much money, which I'm not, but let's say we are, trade our most garbage prospect or a 7th for his rights to make darn sure it gets done. Can't imagine Buffalo would have much reason to pass up getting something for nothing. I don't want to get him really, though he's better than our current options probably, but that seems like the smart play to me.
 

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$4-$4.5 mil x 2 for Lehner? Yikes.

To put it in perspective, by not qualifying him, Buffalo effectively passed on giving Lehner a $4 mil x 1 contract. To me, that not only says something about how Buffalo, a team in need of a goalie, sees Lehner, but also sheds light on his market. If a team wanted him at that price point, you would think Buffalo would have qualified him and then dealt him for an asset. That's not happening in this case.
 

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Can't afford not to is right on I think. Saw a tweet (I think Chip) that Ward is unlikely to come back. Darling/Ned is tanksville USA.

Chip didn’t say he was unlikely to come back, just that they were letting him go to UFA. Cam’s preference is to come back here but other teams have shown interest.

Yet another way that Darling has ****ed us over is that he’s pretty much forced Cam out the door, at a time when Cam should have been a solid low-cost backup with veteran leadership and mentorship to boot. Instead he may well end up riding the pine in St Louis or wherever, because we can’t get rid of Walrus.
 

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Honestly, and this wouldn't shock me if he were to do this, but I could see Cam telling teams he wants to see how things play out and taking an invite to camp here. And when Darling inevitably f***s up again and ends up in the minors coming back as a backup. He wants to be here and I can't see anyone offering him the chance to be the #1. So if he's going to be in a 1B or even backup type role he'd be far more likely to want to do it where he's familiar with. If Darling DOES come in focused and actually playing well he'll probably sign a one-year deal elsewhere.
 

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Cam is the monster in the horror movie. Just when you think he's dead and gone, he jumps out and stabs you in the gut.

You know that move The Frighteners, where the ghost reaches straight into people’s chests and literally crushes their hearts while they gape in horror?
 

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With Lehner going UFA and a limited number of teams looking for a goalie of his caliber, I wonder if he’d be willing to sign a short-term “show me” contract here. He’d be all but gifted the starter’s role and if he performed at the .920 level like he used to, he’d be able to seriously cash in.

Line Necas with Svechnikov going to be dynamic, not sure Svech is NHL ready , but huge feature

I don't think you'll see Lehner getting the dollars he was paid in Buffalo....but he's not going to go for a pittance either. For me, I'd concentrate on Bernier first, with the Grubauer trade he's as good as out the door in Colorado. While I'd keep Lehner in the mix, I don't necessarily want to depend on him. Other guys, I'd be eyeing are Hutton, Khudobin, and Halak....and of course, if we could get Vehvilainen, I'd throw him into the mix as well. Perhaps there's a Craig Anderson in our future as well. Point is, I'm not sure we need to be desperate for a goalie until after 7/1.
 
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I don't think you'll see Lehner getting the dollars he was paid in Buffalo....but he's not going to go for a pittance either. For me, I'd concentrate on Bernier first, with the Grubauer trade he's as good as out the door in Colorado. While I'd keep Lehner in the mix, I don't necessarily want to depend on him. Other guys, I'd be eyeing are Hutton, Khudobin, and Halak....and of course, if we could get Vehvilainen, I'd throw him into the mix as well. Perhaps there's a Craig Anderson in our future as well. Point is, I'm not sure we need to be desperate for a goalie until after 7/1.

As important, Darling needs to go. He can't be here anymore. I know, the Canes want to rehabilitate into a useful goalie...but I don't think that *can* happen here.

Elsewhere, maybe he can recapture his drive, mental fortitude, and form...but not in Raleigh.
 

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I don't think you'll see Lehner getting the dollars he was paid in Buffalo....but he's not going to go for a pittance either. For me, I'd concentrate on Bernier first, with the Grubauer trade he's as good as out the door in Colorado. While I'd keep Lehner in the mix, I don't necessarily want to depend on him. Other guys, I'd be eyeing are Hutton, Khudobin, and Halak....and of course, if we could get Vehvilainen, I'd throw him into the mix as well. Perhaps there's a Craig Anderson in our future as well. Point is, I'm not sure we need to be desperate for a goalie until after 7/1.

I'd be less than thrilled if we picked up Bernier. I think he's a good backup or 1B type goalie, but not a guy I'd look to be our starter. Lehner I feel like has a higher ceiling of having the potential to be a solid starter.
 

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I'd be less than thrilled if we picked up Bernier. I think he's a good backup or 1B type goalie, but not a guy I'd look to be our starter. Lehner I feel like has a higher ceiling of having the potential to be a solid starter.

After reading descriptions of Lehner's issues, after Darling I wouldn't touch him.

He's a big goalie who doesn't move well. Apparently, his play dropped after opponents figured out he was beatable if they could force him to move laterally, prevent him from squaring up to shots, and force rebounds/second-chances. In addition, he's a head-case whose temper takes his head out of the game and costs wins.

Sounds like some other goalie we know.
 
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