borro
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Like football, the ability to cut say a Jagr would alleviate alot of the upward spiral pressure on salaries. If good players don't play good, they get cut! Seems logical to me!
Stich said:The NHLPA is more against non-guaranteed contracts than they are against a cap.
borro said:So, make it non-negotiable. Give in on the Cap demand but insist on non-guaranteed contracts. The rank and file player will be all for this. It works for the NFL. Why couldn't it work for the NHL? Still gives you freedom to improve the team, but puts the onus on the player to be worth what he is paid. I like it!
go kim johnsson said:In the NFL players get cut simply because of the changes in the cap and changes in the players salary structure. The onus might be on the player, but time and time again players have good seasons and get gone because of the cap number.
thinkwild said:There is still a marketplace for players under a cap. The same owners who cant control themselves will be negotiating them.
The onus is on teams to equally distribute talent measured by salary under cap. When you think your team is one missing piece from a cup, there will be other teams 3 missing pieces away. The cap will ensure both are equally 2 missing pieces away. But under a cap world, that would be an elite team. And so like in the horrid NFL system, they have a chance to win.
borro said:Which is why you don't make a Cap. You put the onus on the player to be WORTH his contract. Period.
go kim johnsson said:So you want to make a cap and then make the players contract not guarenteed?
Thats like if you were a teacher in a union, and another teacher moved into town and took your job, and you end up bagging groceries or moving to a new city.
borro said:Like football, the ability to cut say a Jagr would alleviate alot of the upward spiral pressure on salaries. If good players don't play good, they get cut! Seems logical to me!
Sure, and would you allow a player to leave a team whenever he wants as well? If teams can cut a player when he's overpaid, then he should be able to leave when he's underpaid, right? Or does only one party have to adhere to the contract?borro said:So, make it non-negotiable. Give in on the Cap demand but insist on non-guaranteed contracts. The rank and file player will be all for this. It works for the NFL. Why couldn't it work for the NHL? Still gives you freedom to improve the team, but puts the onus on the player to be worth what he is paid. I like it!
moneyp said:Sure, and would you allow a player to leave a team whenever he wants as well? If teams can cut a player when he's overpaid, then he should be able to leave when he's underpaid, right? Or does only one party have to adhere to the contract?
Astaroth said:The only reason the NFL has this is because they crushed the Union back in their last labour dispute. That being said the NFL is healthy only because of the massive TV contract that they enjoy but trust me when 2007 rolls around, the s*** is going to hit the fan to say it lightly. I am totally against non-guaranteed contracts, say what you want about the players' earning power but a contract is a contract. Unless of course you let the players have the same privilege and negociate when he wants and can leave when he wants?
moneyp said:Sure, and would you allow a player to leave a team whenever he wants as well? If teams can cut a player when he's overpaid, then he should be able to leave when he's underpaid, right? Or does only one party have to adhere to the contract?
Astaroth said:I am totally against non-guaranteed contracts, say what you want about the players' earning power but a contract is a contract.
Vlad The Impaler said:Well, right now the fat cats and their agents whine to get the money and half the time stop playing. So it's kind of the other way around.
Not to mention the thieves and scums who sign contracts and don't live up to their word. Have you seen the owners try to pull that off?
I'm all for non-garanteed contract for players. Maybe they'd ask for money they can actually earn instead of having infamous contract years and then sit on their lazy asses.
If the salary is right for the performance, the player won't be cut.
Under this system though, to be fair for the player you might have to pump up some performance clauses a little which I don't like.
Vlad The Impaler said:That makes absolutely no sense.
borro said:So, make it non-negotiable. Give in on the Cap demand but insist on non-guaranteed contracts. The rank and file player will be all for this. It works for the NFL. Why couldn't it work for the NHL? Still gives you freedom to improve the team, but puts the onus on the player to be worth what he is paid. I like it!
H/H said:How would you like a decade long lockout?
borro said:Which is why you don't make a Cap. You put the onus on the player to be WORTH his contract. Period.
Astaroth said:The only reason the NFL has this is because they crushed the Union back in their last labour dispute. That being said the NFL is healthy only because of the massive TV contract that they enjoy but trust me when 2007 rolls around, the s*** is going to hit the fan to say it lightly. I am totally against non-guaranteed contracts, say what you want about the players' earning power but a contract is a contract. Unless of course you let the players have the same privilege and negociate when he wants and can leave when he wants?
Puckhead said:If you are so against non-guarenteed contracts, obviously siding with the players, then where do you sit on the issue of players sitting out, trying to get more money and more years when they still have a contract in place. By not guaranteeing the contract, the player has the incentive needed to play the game to the best of his ability, and not drag his ass for 82 games. Gone would be the excuse that the player needs the right motivation...How about not getting paid? I think that would stoke the fires of some lazy players who play good enough to get the big deal, and then dissapear for the duration, only to start the cycle again in their last year of the deal. It would greatly increase production, while keeping the game intact. No need to widen the nets, get rid of the lines, make bigger arenas...Just get the players to live up to their god given talents. It should be a privelege to make your living playing a game, not a right.
borro said:Like football, the ability to cut say a Jagr would alleviate alot of the upward spiral pressure on salaries. If good players don't play good, they get cut! Seems logical to me!