Mobey said:
These tournaments have nothing to do with the "next generation" of players - which is what this thread is about.
The fact is, at the junior (future) level in the past 5-7 years, year in and year out Russia has been far better than the US
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These tournaments have nothing to do with the "next generation" of players - which is what this thread is about.
The fact is, at the junior (future) level in the past 5-7 years, year in and year out Russia has been far better than the US
Rabid Ranger
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Leafaholix said:
Which is it? You say Russia has finished ahead of the U.S. "constantly", yet here you admit you don't keep track of where the two countries finish in tournaments.
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Zine said:
Over the past ten years the Russian program at the junior level has been superior, as a matter-of-fact it's been one of the best. However, in the past few years the U.S. has won it's fair share, defeating Russian teams along the way, and looks to get only better. As a matter-of-fact, the U.S. was the only country to medal at all four major IIHF championships this year.
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Zine said:
Those tournaments have to do with his argument that Russia has "constantly" outplaced the US in the past without superior goaltending.
Russia has had more junior level success, but that doesn't translate into "next generation" success. If it did, the US wouldn't be on any tournament podiums because until in the inception of the NTDP, the US had no junior level success.
Spezza
Fleury
Coburn
Bergeron
Heatley
Thornton
Lecavalier
Richards
Luongo
Nash
Crosby
Brule
Stall
Horton
Ward
Deslaurias
Phaneuf
and Im not even thinking about guys like Roy, Carter, Getzlaf etc.
Fleury
Coburn
Bergeron
Heatley
Thornton
Lecavalier
Richards
Luongo
Nash
Crosby
Brule
Stall
Horton
Ward
Deslaurias
Phaneuf
and Im not even thinking about guys like Roy, Carter, Getzlaf etc.
i would rank Russia ahead of the USA, since 1999 Russia has won 3 world jr. championships and the USA has won one. i think you need to put a huge importance in these tounrys in tlaking about the next generation...if i were to rank the countries of players under 25 i would do this.
1) Canada (superstar players at every position)
2) Russia (lacking in goaltending)
3) USA (besides praise, o'sullivan and schremp forwards are a little weak)
4)Finland (kari, joni, and tuomu are sick)
5) Czech Rep(dont really have a dmen horse, 3-4-5 are very close)
6) Slovkia (players come out of nowhere)
7)Sweden (steen, neilson, not much else.....)
8) Swiss and Germany are getting closer and closer to top 7.
1) Canada (superstar players at every position)
2) Russia (lacking in goaltending)
3) USA (besides praise, o'sullivan and schremp forwards are a little weak)
4)Finland (kari, joni, and tuomu are sick)
5) Czech Rep(dont really have a dmen horse, 3-4-5 are very close)
6) Slovkia (players come out of nowhere)
7)Sweden (steen, neilson, not much else.....)
8) Swiss and Germany are getting closer and closer to top 7.
the americans might have more depth but Tjutin, Grebeshkov and Babchuk will probably be stars.....the americans have alot of solid d-men. suter and Komisarek might be stars but that is aobut it.....whitney will be close.Mobey said:
Rabid Ranger
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DanyHeatley#1Fan said:
Not head and shoulders above for example russia.
Kovalchuk
Ovechkin
Malkin
Zherdev
Frolov
Chistov
Semin
Grigorenko
Defense:
Grebeshkov
Tyutin
Babchuk
Semenov
Volchenkov
Koltsov
Anikeenko
Also Svitov, Radulov, Shishkanov have some potential. Datsyuk, Samsonov, A. Markov are still pretty young.
No great golie in sight. Nabokov and Khabibulin could play some more years though.
1994-1999 russia didn´t have many great first rounders, but they are producing talent at a high pace since 2000.
A lot depends if russia will continue to produce talents like Kovalchuk, Ovechkin Malikn etc, in the next drafts.
Since hockey is a team play after all, team chemistry, coaching etc. will have some impact of course.
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The Albino said:
Great goalie coaches. From the juniors to senior level, every team has one. Ironically the (senior) national team hasn't had one for 2 years and look where it's gotten us.
i said that suter would probably be a star.....what else is there? what do u mean? u think he is worse?Rabid Ranger said:
Kugel said:
He means that Suter, right now, is one of the top young D prospects, right there with Phaneuf. Russia doesn't have a prospect of their caliber, as of the moment.
Add on young NHLers and you have an impressive lineup for the USA. Blackburn, Esche, Gomez, Martin, Hale, Malone, Gionta, DiPietro, off the top of my head haven't all hit their prime yet.
I could see Olympic gold in a few years for the Americans.
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Rabid Ranger
2 is better than one
Postman said:
I'd say Anikeenko is (although still young). He, along with Brule and Lattendresse will be battling for the #2 spot in next years draft.
Zine said:
That's why I added "at the moment". Anikeenko has the potential to reach that status, but as of now, he hasn't done anything to warrant such praise. But I agree, he's probably Russia's top defensive prospect in quite some time.
He looked like a beast against the CHL teams back in November.Rabid Ranger said:
Stopping 50+ shots in a couple games.
why not make an american team and a russian team....what they would look like 5 years down the road.....?????Rabid Ranger said:
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Belarus: Konstantin Koltsov 
Loungo and Fleury will be Canada's next Roy and Brodeur. I pick Canada. Too many potential suprestars and too much depth.
Loungo and Fleury will be Canada's next Roy and Brodeur. I pick Canada. Too many potential suprestars and too much depth.
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