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The Oilers First Draft Pick in 2020 Will Be From Which League?


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FlameChampion

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Bob McKenzie's rankings (average ranking of I believe ten NHL scouts):

1. Lafreniere
2. Stutzle
3. Byfield
4. Drysdale
5. Perfetti
6. Raymond
7. Rossi
8. Sanderson
9. Holtz
10. Quinn

Rest of the top-93 here

Some interesting rankings+tidbits:
  • Stutzle at 2
  • Perfetti at 5
  • Sanderson at 8. 2 scouts had him in their top-3 (!) and McKenzie wouldn't be surprised if he's picked before Drysdale.
  • Lapierre at 15
  • Jarvis at 18, Amirov at 19. Both guys I thought would be higher and would be thrilled if we pick them.
  • Germans Reichel and Peterka at 20 and 23
  • Connor Zary at 22. I thought he'd be about 10 spots higher. If he falls to our pick... yay!
  • Noel Gunler at 28!!! I'd have him at 10/11. If he falls to our pick... even bigger yay!
  • Ridley Greig at 24. You called it, @PKSpecialist.
  • Jan Mysak at 34. Seems pretty low.
  • Zion Nybeck at 73! If he's available for our 3rd that could be a home-run pick.
  • Martin Chromiak at 75. I expected him at least 40 spots higher.

Only thing that scares me a bit with someone like Gunler is that he was pretty high at one point and consistently seems to keep dropping. I think theres been some concerns with attitude? (could be wrong). The last few drafts we have taken guys who have dropped (McLeod, Lavoie etc), who are good prospects but these guys havent really hit it out of the park (still really early for Lavoie but its the case with McLeod). We give the pro scouts a hard time sometimes, but they do seem to have a knack for these type of droppers who dont pan out that well. (Not saying Gunler wont just using him as an example).
 

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I really don't see what scouts see in Guhle.

Guys who aren't good in transition at the junior level almost never just suddenly improve at it at the next level.

You're very likely getting a defensive defenseman with limited possession or offensive abilities.

It scares me that he is ranked 14th. Schneider at 17th also scares me. Meanwhile O'Rourke is all the way down at 37.
 

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We are at the point of the thread where we need to make some decisions.

If we think we’re going to have 2 more threads till we hit the day of the Draft, we should be okay with titles of premature, adolescence, and then live draft threads maybe? Tomorrow this thread turns 1 year old!
 
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I just noticed that it said two of the ten scouts they surveyed had Byfield at 6th.

This seems like a year where Bob's rankings are far from it's usual quality.
 

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It scares me that he is ranked 14th. Schneider at 17th also scares me. Meanwhile O'Rourke is all the way down at 37.

Schneider's transition game is pretty good. I don't mind that ranking, but I definitely agree that Guhle seems way too high.
 
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ConnorMcMullet

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I just noticed that it said two of the ten scouts they surveyed had Byfield as low as 6th.

This seems like a year where Bob's rankings are far from it's usual quality.
I think it's more that the scouts have less to go off of with no playoffs, U18s, etc. Rankings are all over the place and there's no real consensus.
 
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It's going to be a very interesting year. If some teams got more looks at some players they could very well have them a lot higher than other guys.

A team could luck out with there being no playoffs to judge players. You all of a sudden take a player that you think has that extra gear, but other teams never saw it and you could end up with a steal.
 

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Any worries about picking a player and then his league doesn't play next year?
 

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Any worries about picking a player and then his league doesn't play next year?
This is a very intriguing question that really doesn't just apply to guys from this year's draft.

If the AHL doesn't get going how does that affect guys like Bouchard, Benson, Mcleod etc? How about Lavoie and Rodrigue who were in Juniors last year? They need to be playing as much as possible at this time too.

Teams are really going to have to figure something out to keep these players developing.

Heck a team like MTL has 14 picks this year. Ott and NJ have a bunch of picks early on. I'm sure they are kind of wondering what's going to happen to all their prospects they draft this year.
 

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This is a very intriguing question that really doesn't just apply to guys from this year's draft.

If the AHL doesn't get going how does that affect guys like Bouchard, Benson, Mcleod etc? How about Lavoie and Rodrigue who were in Juniors last year? They need to be playing as much as possible at this time too.

Teams are really going to have to figure something out to keep these players developing.

Heck a team like MTL has 14 picks this year. Ott and NJ have a bunch of picks early on. I'm sure they are kind of wondering what's going to happen to all their prospects they draft this year.
They are NHL ready. I don't think it'll affect those guys.

Lavoie and Rodz will have to go oversea for sure.
 

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Both Peterka and Reichel would be nice picks. I have them ranked back-to-back and have no idea who I would take if given the choice between them.

I just watched some video on both of them and I can definitely say I'd much prefer Reichel. He strikes me as a really smart player who knows where to go on the ice and has very good vision. He can both pass and shoot and he's the kind of guy that other guys love playing with. I think he's a really safe bet to be an NHLer and despite already being quite developed in many aspects I think he has a very high ceiling. I don't see why he couldn't be a legit 1st liner.

Peterka on the other hand, upon further examination, I'm not that big of a fan of. He's not nearly as smart. He's more of a toolsy guy. He's more raw than Reichel, although more physically developed, but I don't see him having a particularly high ceiling. He strikes me more as an energetic bottom-six guy with a scoring touch at the NHL level, if he even makes it that far.

I don't think it's a coincidence at all that Reichel had more than twice the amount of points in the same amount of games in the DEL. His game is well suited to the pro level whereas Peterka will have to really work hard on getting his tools to an elite level if he wants to have an impact. If he was 6'3 I think I'd have more time for him but standing at 5'11 he's gonna have a tough time I think. I don't see any area of his game that is immediately obvious that it would stand out at the NHL level.

I'd actually rank the two of them quite far apart I think. I don't have a list but Peterka I probably would only take as a 2nd round flyer while Reichel is probably close to being a top15 pick, which incidentally is exactly where HockeyProspect has him ranked. Based on the limited footage I've seen I'd be very happy if Reichel was the Oilers pick. I think he'd look very good on either of our top two lines.
 
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I just watched some video on both of them and I can definitely say I'd much prefer Reichel. He strikes me as a really smart player who knows where to go on the ice and has very good vision. He can both pass and shoot and he's the kind of guy that other guys love playing with. I think he's a really safe bet to be an NHLer and despite already being quite developed in many aspects I think he has a very high ceiling. I don't see why he couldn't be a legit 1st liner.

Peterka on the other hand, upon further examination, I'm not that big of a fan of. He's not nearly as smart. He's more of a toolsy guy. He's more raw than Reichel, although more physically developed, but I don't see him having a particularly high ceiling. He strikes me more as an energetic bottom-six guy with a scoring touch at the NHL level, if he even makes it that far.

I don't think it's a coincidence at all that Reichel had more than twice the amount of points in the same amount of games in the DEL. His game is well suited to the pro level whereas Peterka will have to really work hard on getting his tools to an elite level if he wants to have an impact. If he was 6'3 I think I'd have more time for him but standing at 5'11 he's gonna have a tough time I think. I don't see any area of his game that is immediately obvious that it would stand out at the NHL level.

I'd actually rank the two of them quite far apart I think. I don't have a list but Peterka I probably would only take as a 2nd round flyer while Reichel is probably close to being a top15 pick, which incidentally is exactly where HockeyProspect has him ranked. Based on the limited footage I've seen I'd be very happy if Reichel was the Oilers pick. I think he'd look very good on either of our top two lines.

Pretty much my take on them. I would still take Peterka at the tail-end of the 1st, but I prefer Reichel for sure.
 

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I just watched some video on both of them and I can definitely say I'd much prefer Reichel. He strikes me as a really smart player who knows where to go on the ice and has very good vision. He can both pass and shoot and he's the kind of guy that other guys love playing with. I think he's a really safe bet to be an NHLer and despite already being quite developed in many aspects I think he has a very high ceiling. I don't see why he couldn't be a legit 1st liner.

Peterka on the other hand, upon further examination, I'm not that big of a fan of. He's not nearly as smart. He's more of a toolsy guy. He's more raw than Reichel, although more physically developed, but I don't see him having a particularly high ceiling. He strikes me more as an energetic bottom-six guy with a scoring touch at the NHL level, if he even makes it that far.

I don't think it's a coincidence at all that Reichel had more than twice the amount of points in the same amount of games in the DEL. His game is well suited to the pro level whereas Peterka will have to really work hard on getting his tools to an elite level if he wants to have an impact. If he was 6'3 I think I'd have more time for him but standing at 5'11 he's gonna have a tough time I think. I don't see any area of his game that is immediately obvious that it would stand out at the NHL level.

I'd actually rank the two of them quite far apart I think. I don't have a list but Peterka I probably would only take as a 2nd round flyer while Reichel is probably close to being a top15 pick, which incidentally is exactly where HockeyProspect has him ranked. Based on the limited footage I've seen I'd be very happy if Reichel was the Oilers pick. I think he'd look very good on either of our top two lines.
I agree with your take on Reichel. Very high-level thinker that can do it all offensively. Creative passer with underrated shot, and, considering his age, has got lots of room to improve. Size and strength is holding him back now but that only makes what he's done in the DEL more impressive. Those are also areas he can obviously improve in over time. I like his effort level and defensive ability as well, so definitely a tempting option for our pick.

JJ Peterka I think gets underrated by some because he had very limited opportunity in the DEL this year. Definitely more of a toolsy guy than Reichel and not as smart a player, but I don't think he has poor hockey IQ either. With him you're betting that his play at the WJC is what he is capable of when given the linemates and opportunity, and I see a good chance that that is the case with him. He is definitely a riskier selection than Reichel though, and has a good chance of not panning out. One player I've compared him to before if he doesn't reach his ceiling is Tyler Pitlick. Fast winger with a heavy shot but lacks the talent and IQ to be more than a bottom-6er. I do see a Jakub Vrana type-ceiling for him though, perhaps not quite at the same level, so I think he would be a reasonable pick in the mid-20s.

One thing I thought you might find interesting is that, according to data by Scouching, Lukas Reichel gets more shots off in high-danger areas than any other prospect he's tracked (covers about 100 players this draft) across any league. For a player that was 17-years old all season playing against men, that's pretty incredible. Makes me think he's be a nice fit with McDavid.

I updated my rankings a few hours ago. Reichel is at 19th, Peterka at 24th.
 
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This is a very intriguing question that really doesn't just apply to guys from this year's draft.

If the AHL doesn't get going how does that affect guys like Bouchard, Benson, Mcleod etc? How about Lavoie and Rodrigue who were in Juniors last year? They need to be playing as much as possible at this time too.

Teams are really going to have to figure something out to keep these players developing.

Heck a team like MTL has 14 picks this year. Ott and NJ have a bunch of picks early on. I'm sure they are kind of wondering what's going to happen to all their prospects they draft this year.

What will be interesting is if several teams opt to bring up their almost ready prospects into positions that they may have signed a veteran in a 1-2 year deal to. Maybe we see a record number of 1st round picks from this draft play ion the NHL next season
 

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This is a very intriguing question that really doesn't just apply to guys from this year's draft.

If the AHL doesn't get going how does that affect guys like Bouchard, Benson, Mcleod etc? How about Lavoie and Rodrigue who were in Juniors last year? They need to be playing as much as possible at this time too.

Teams are really going to have to figure something out to keep these players developing.

Heck a team like MTL has 14 picks this year. Ott and NJ have a bunch of picks early on. I'm sure they are kind of wondering what's going to happen to all their prospects they draft this year.
I think if the NHL plays next year they'll find a way to get their AHL teams playing, even if it's more akin to a series of local tournaments instead of a proper season. Maybe even a "double feature" AHL then NHL if arenas still can't host events with fans. That's why I think kids like Reichel would have the tiebreaker over some others. If the DEL doesn't play then he has the option of the AHL.
 
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No team would throw away a chance at the Cup for a draft pick. This isn’t even remotely a concern.
It would still be dumb to announce which qualifier team won the lotto.
If it qualifier team A then it is pretty much staying safe and resting your player while picking up Lafreniere vs trying ur best to beat PIT just to make the playoffs in a year where u r sellers.

Habs would be better off skipping out on these hub cities, staggered practices, daily tests circuis and just fold.
 

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It would still be dumb to announce which qualifier team won the lotto.
If it qualifier team A then it is pretty much staying safe and resting your player while picking up Lafreniere vs trying ur best to beat PIT just to make the playoffs in a year where u r sellers.

Habs would be better off skipping out on these hub cities, staggered practices, daily tests circuis and just fold.

That's not how it works. The first phase of the lottery (on June 26th) will only announce the teams that win the lottery. If a placeholder team wins it, they will hold a second lottery after the playoffs from the group of teams that lost in the play-in rounds to determine which team wins that lottery. No team will be guaranteed a lottery spot going into the playoffs.
 
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I know how much you love these @FlameChampion so here is a Draft Dynasty scouting report on Hendrix Lapierre. He was ranked 15th by McKenzie so he might be a guy we target. The talent is undeniable, health is the only question.



And here's one on Tristen Robins, a player ranked outside of McKenzie's top-93. Nevertheless, a very good option with our 3rd.

 
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