Discussion in 'Edmonton Oilers' started by Soli, Jun 23, 2019.
Lowkey hope we pick Mysak just for the memes and puns
No thanks. We don't need anymore safe players
This is the thing that gets me with Grieg...because he plays the kind of game he does he gets labelled as safe. He is a ‘safe’ player because he does things that guarantee he will play in the league. But he has every bit as much offensive upside in my opinion as guys like Mercer, Bourque, Neighbours, etc... PLUS the intangibles that make him a safe pick. He is one of the most underrated prospects in my opinion because he gets this ‘safe’ label, and people forget to analyze him as an offensive player which is what he has the potential to be. He’s an easy first rounder for me, just not quite at the 20 pick where we currently sit. I’m struggling with putting a player like Connor Zary ahead of him to be honest. What does Zary do that Grieg doesn’t? And to boot, Grieg is pretty much a full year younger.(I do currently have Zary ahead, but the more I go back and watch, the more I debate it).
hadn’t actually looked at this before, but if you look at both of their stats in their second WHL seasons they are nearly identical.
I am just going off of history. Lots of safe players ended up not turning out to be much. I think we should be going for dynamic offensive players or complimentary offensive players. We drafted Yamamoto and he's turning out pretty well. If we get to draft Jarvis, Foerster or Mysak... We should take it and run
My favorite player in the draft is Jarvis but if we get Mysak... Wow take him and run like the wind
I like Jarvis and Mysak , but literally the only thing Foerster does better than Grieg is shoot. Every other aspect of the game Grieg is the superior prospect.
I’d say pretty much every offensive aspect of Foerster’s game is better.
Mysak is an interesting prospect. Some people really high on him. Some think theres not enough offensive upside there. It does seem like some people are sleeping on him a bit. I wonder if he had played more in the OHL and the season wasnt cut short if he would of turned some heads a bit more.
Signed: Z. Chara
Scouching takes an in-depth look at John-Jason Peterka. He has his usual video + some write-ups.
Free for a limited time: SCOUCHING #20: John-Jason Peterka – LW – EHC München – Video/Analytics Breakdown
I think he underrated Peterka's skill level though. His shot and skating are better than Scouching makes it out to be. He's playing against men with limited ice time and doesn't have the opportunity to showcase his ability. The WJC gave a good idea of the skillset he possesses.
I preferred Draft Dynasty's overview on his game:
Both Peterka and Reichel would be nice picks. I have them ranked back-to-back and have no idea who I would take if given the choice between them.
Bob McKenzie's list coming out in a half-hour...
I kind of agree with Scouch on his shot. It's good, but I don't think it will stand out in the NHL.
He's going to score most of his goals by finding pockets in high danger spots. I don't think that's a bad thing though. That kind of skill set translates a lot more reliably than simply having a big shot, IMO.
I completely forgot Ryder Rolston was in this draft.
He really fell off the map.
Yeah for me I tend to prefer the Draft Dynasty profiles on prospects over the Scouching ones. Obviously I like both and eat up all the draft prospect coverage that I can. Draft Dynasty just seems to have a more keen eye on prospects and has more educated guesses on where the prospects development is currently, draft-1 seasons, rational discussion etc. I think he just watches more games too. I am sure that there is a lot of value in the analytics that Scouching does, but I find that some of the discussion just seems generic. Still love both though.
Sanderson, Guhle, Schneider all pretty high. I think this will likely happen. Probably will be another D man or two who go top 20. Barron and Wallinder maybe.
Amirov bit lower than I was expecting. Lukas Reichel higher than I was expecting but I think hes in about the right spot. Mysak pretty low. Lots of love for Greig.
I just have a feeling we are going to draft Jarvis (assuming we stay around 20).
Bob McKenzie's rankings (average ranking of I believe ten NHL scouts):
Rest of the top-93 here
Some interesting rankings+tidbits:
Stutzle at 2
Perfetti at 5
Sanderson at 8. 2 scouts had him in their top-3 (!) and McKenzie wouldn't be surprised if he's picked before Drysdale.
Lapierre at 15
Jarvis at 18, Amirov at 19. Both guys I thought would be higher and would be thrilled if we pick them.
Germans Reichel and Peterka at 20 and 23
Connor Zary at 22. I thought he'd be about 10 spots higher. If he falls to our pick... yay!
Noel Gunler at 28!!! I'd have him at 10/11. If he falls to our pick... even bigger yay!
Ridley Greig at 24. You called it, @PKSpecialist.
Jan Mysak at 34. Seems pretty low.
Zion Nybeck at 73! If he's available for our 3rd that could be a home-run pick.
Martin Chromiak at 75. I expected him at least 40 spots higher.
Kinda surprised that Robins is a Honorable Mention. I think he would be a nice pick up with our third if hes available (assuming the NHL doesnt screw us).
I really don't see what scouts see in Guhle.
Guys who aren't good in transition at the junior level almost never just suddenly improve at it at the next level.
You're very likely getting a defensive defenseman with limited possession or offensive abilities.
Zion Nybeck and Martin Chromiak are at 73 and 75. I never would have considered them options for our 3rd, but...
Based on the list some options I like for our 3rd are Nybeck (73), Chromiak (75), Wisdom (77), Simontival (78), Tullio (80), Savoie (84), Pashin (89), and Verling (90). All those players seem really low to me.
Tristen Robins also an HM. Very good option for our 3rd.
The most surprising ranking for me is definitely Martin Chromiak at 75 though.
There seems to be a weird focus on defensive defensemen.
A guy like Daemon Hunt at 44 is insanity to me considering the forwards they have ranked way after him.
Same with Kleven and Mukhamadulin. But then they have Villeneauve as an HM. He won the best defenseman in the Q award this year and is very solid defensively.
I think we might be getting a surprisingly good forward with our 3rd just looking at who he has ranked in our range. A guy like Martin Chromiak isn't out of question.
The list seems to overvalue big guys, both for forwards and defensemen.
Maybe because there is so many smaller players they are overvaluing the bigger guys. Even though the game is speed/skill, still need some balance with size/strength. Some of the rankings do seem weird though.
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