danisonfire
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PK Subban is an extremely polarizing figure. This is a statistical breakdown to help dispel some of the “Myths” being passed as fact on HFBoards after the 2012-2013 season.
Sucks 5vs5:
Many people argue Subban is weak 5vs5, the statistics (or eye test for MTL fans) never seem to back this up. In the 2012-2013 season, Subban only had 10 ES points. This at first glance looks weak for a “defensively weak player”, the issue is the numbers don’t match that claim. The first thing that stands out in their argument is the following:
Since PK Subban scored so few points 5vs5, 4G 6A (4 primary assists), you would expect his +/- to be terrible. He was +12 on the season even with the low number of points.
Goals for/20: 1.041
Goals against/20: 0.535
Subban was on the ice for very few goals against (less then Chara this season), while being on the ice for close to double the goals for. This is what is fueling his +12 rating with such few points.
This table breaks down even further his success 5vs5 (Credit: Watsatheo)
PK SUBBAN
Player|Year|Games|On-Ice GF/60min|Off-Ice GF/60min|On-Ice Shots For/60min|Off-Ice Shots For/60min|On-Ice GA/60min|Off-Ice GA/60min|On-Ice Shots Against/60min|Off-Ice Shots Against/60min|link
PK SUBBAN|12/13|42|3.15|2.58|29.3|27.0|1.66|2.49|20.8|26.8| link
PK SUBBAN|11/12|81|2.80|2.10|25.6|25.0|2.24|2.80|25.7|28.2| link
PK SUBBAN|10/11|77|2.23|2.15|31.5|28.1|2.57|2.15|26.2|29.0| link
Has a terrible QOC/TOI:
The next myth is the QoC argument. Many claim he faced weak competition and didn’t deserve the Norris. For MTL fans, many of us already know he was eased into the lineup at the start of the season. In order for the QoC argument to hold water he would have had to see his numbers drop as he role increased. This simply never happened. In fact, he statistically improved as his role increased.
This shows several statistics by month as his role was changing. (Credit: Watsetheo again)
29 points in 28 games where he was given tough minutes. He was also a +9 during these games with increased TOI and QoC respectively.
These statistics also relate to QoC (Credit: Talks to Goalposts)
Career average zone starts:
Subban: 29.7% Offensive zone, 31.4% Defensive zone
Career average Teammate quality:
Subban: 48.7% goal ratio
Career average Opposition quality:
Subban: 50.4% goal ratio
Career average goal ratio:
Subban: 56.9%
Subban was used in different role this season (then his career to date) because the new coach found it brought the must value to the team. It is hard to argue against him considering the teams regular season performance.
Weak on the PK (tons of pun!):
Many claim Subban is weak on the penalty kill because he was used so sparingly this season in that role, This is simply not true. These are some statistics related to Subban being used defensively on the PK. I have used 100 min + to qualify.
2010-2011
Team PK ranking: 7th overall.
Subban (3rd most minutes): TOI: 185:03, GA/20: 1.081 (Lowest on his team)
2011-2012
Team PK ranking: 2nd overall.
Subban (2nd most minutes): TOI: 199:18, GA/20: 1.104 (Lowest on his team qualifying)
2012-2013
Team PK ranking: 23rd overall.
Subban: Does not qualify.
When Subban was given this role, he seems to have done decently in the past. I think it is unfair to label him a liability on the PK. I would also like to include that in 2012-2013, his GA/20 was much much higher, however he also had a drastic statistical outlier in the form of his goalies save % being 10 percent lower than team average. Once again not saying Subban is a god on the PK, just simply that the label of liability is very polarized.
Subban’s defensive elements are greatly underrated. Like many defensemen who contribute offensively, he seems to be thrown under the bus when it comes time to discuss them. Feel free to add whatever you would like on other issues / these issues. I had very little time
Sucks 5vs5:
Many people argue Subban is weak 5vs5, the statistics (or eye test for MTL fans) never seem to back this up. In the 2012-2013 season, Subban only had 10 ES points. This at first glance looks weak for a “defensively weak player”, the issue is the numbers don’t match that claim. The first thing that stands out in their argument is the following:
Since PK Subban scored so few points 5vs5, 4G 6A (4 primary assists), you would expect his +/- to be terrible. He was +12 on the season even with the low number of points.
Goals for/20: 1.041
Goals against/20: 0.535
Subban was on the ice for very few goals against (less then Chara this season), while being on the ice for close to double the goals for. This is what is fueling his +12 rating with such few points.
This table breaks down even further his success 5vs5 (Credit: Watsatheo)
PK SUBBAN
PK SUBBAN|12/13|42|3.15|2.58|29.3|27.0|1.66|2.49|20.8|26.8| link
PK SUBBAN|11/12|81|2.80|2.10|25.6|25.0|2.24|2.80|25.7|28.2| link
PK SUBBAN|10/11|77|2.23|2.15|31.5|28.1|2.57|2.15|26.2|29.0| link
Has a terrible QOC/TOI:
The next myth is the QoC argument. Many claim he faced weak competition and didn’t deserve the Norris. For MTL fans, many of us already know he was eased into the lineup at the start of the season. In order for the QoC argument to hold water he would have had to see his numbers drop as he role increased. This simply never happened. In fact, he statistically improved as his role increased.
This shows several statistics by month as his role was changing. (Credit: Watsetheo again)
29 points in 28 games where he was given tough minutes. He was also a +9 during these games with increased TOI and QoC respectively.
These statistics also relate to QoC (Credit: Talks to Goalposts)
Career average zone starts:
Subban: 29.7% Offensive zone, 31.4% Defensive zone
Career average Teammate quality:
Subban: 48.7% goal ratio
Career average Opposition quality:
Subban: 50.4% goal ratio
Career average goal ratio:
Subban: 56.9%
Subban was used in different role this season (then his career to date) because the new coach found it brought the must value to the team. It is hard to argue against him considering the teams regular season performance.
Weak on the PK (tons of pun!):
Many claim Subban is weak on the penalty kill because he was used so sparingly this season in that role, This is simply not true. These are some statistics related to Subban being used defensively on the PK. I have used 100 min + to qualify.
2010-2011
Team PK ranking: 7th overall.
Subban (3rd most minutes): TOI: 185:03, GA/20: 1.081 (Lowest on his team)
2011-2012
Team PK ranking: 2nd overall.
Subban (2nd most minutes): TOI: 199:18, GA/20: 1.104 (Lowest on his team qualifying)
2012-2013
Team PK ranking: 23rd overall.
Subban: Does not qualify.
When Subban was given this role, he seems to have done decently in the past. I think it is unfair to label him a liability on the PK. I would also like to include that in 2012-2013, his GA/20 was much much higher, however he also had a drastic statistical outlier in the form of his goalies save % being 10 percent lower than team average. Once again not saying Subban is a god on the PK, just simply that the label of liability is very polarized.
Subban’s defensive elements are greatly underrated. Like many defensemen who contribute offensively, he seems to be thrown under the bus when it comes time to discuss them. Feel free to add whatever you would like on other issues / these issues. I had very little time
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