joestevens29
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Where did I say this in my reply? I literally said that’s a discussion for 4 years from now in a redraft. I didn’t even type a single word about what Zegras could be in the league. You are the one making claims on Broberg, so I want to know what evidence you have to back them? It’s very early in development, I think to early to say how either will fare, though Zegras likely gets his shot this week to see if he can even play in the NHL.
Newsflash for you Murray is also a bust barely able to stay healthy enough to play in the NHL, again not a debate I want to get into because many factors go into that, not just the pick at the time.
I honestly don’t care about Pulju’s tournament, why is that even brought in? I think Canadians way overate the tournament as is, these are a bunch of young kids, and people think this tournament defines their whole life. Also why are people bringing up good tournaments where players haven’t been good after to discount Zegras? Zegras’ tournament has nothing to do with these players? He had a great tournament, that can’t even be argued.
Like I’ve now said multiple times, people like you keep bringing Zegras and Broberg together, both could end up as good NHL players, it’s way to early to tell, I will gladly debate in a redraft after both players have gone through their development. I’ve made my position on it clear at the time of the draft, and still stick to it, doesn’t mean it’s right, time will tell.
I just hate the whole “we need defense” argument, which is what I debated, more often than not, as I pointed out, the drafting for positional needs or current problems has burnt organizations.
Where did I even say that? This discussion literally started because you said Broberg would be a top 4 D? I bolded it and asked you how you knew that, genuinely curious.You are a great hindsight guy. Yes Murray is a bust now but at the time he should have been the pick. You are taking a hissy fit because a few of us in here said defence is the way to go
You are like “ how dare you challenge my hockey IQ, I’m Smartguy
Agreed. My issue is multiple posters can’t accept that both can be good prospects, and bring in “ well player X once had a good tournament and he sucks now”. Who cares, Zegras had a great tournament who knows how the next few years of his development go, unfortunately it will be on divisional rival though.I’m not sure why we have to keep rehashing the Zegras stuff. Broberg was a good pick. Zegras would have been too. Both are trending in the right direction.
The only issue is Zegras was able to show what he could do against his peers while in good health and Broberg couldn’t because he was hobbled by injury.
Anybody who wants to use this tournament as a mark against Broberg is being disingenuous.
Curious how you know he will be a top 4 D? Regardless of the debate you draft BPA in the top 10, because regardless of Brobergs development, it likely could be 4 years post draft that he even starts to play in the NHL, our needs will be completely different.
Not going to get into the whole debate, as I’ve said to people that keep bringing it up, it’s likely a conversation for 4 years from now when people debate a redraft. But regardless, Zegras was the BPA at the time, he is currently light years ahead of Broberg in his development, tough to compare though because of position, and I would be completely shocked if this isn’t a pick that fans bring up for the next decade as a miss.
The whole “we need defensive help” argument wreaks of passing on a Barzal or Connor for Reinhart situation again. No, not that I compare Broberg and Reinhart, just time and and time again teams have proven its best just to go BPA in the first round, forget position. see Arizona in recent memory taking Hayton over Quinn Hughes, you don’t think just now three years post draft when they are likely headed into a full blown tear down, they would love a Quinn Hughes? Again that’s a drafting for current problems mistake.
Agreed. My issue is multiple posters can’t accept that both can be good prospects, and bring in “ well player X once had a good tournament and he sucks now”. Who cares, Zegras had a great tournament who knows how the next few years of his development go, unfortunately it will be on divisional rival though.
People in this thread can discuss Zegras and his tournament, and he’s a great prospect, without others having to bring up “ Well! Broberg is better!”
Where did I even say that? This discussion literally started because you said Broberg would be a top 4 D? I bolded it and asked you how you knew that, genuinely curious.
You are in multiple threads, now quoted multiple times, discounting Zegras and Bringing up how good Broberg is. I’ve quoted you multiple times saying the debate is way to early, but I shared my positions and literally gave you examples as to why I made the argument over not just drafting D, as you had wrote “we need defense”.
You are the one who seems to think your smarter than everyone and has made claims, I’m literally asking you for evidence and you haven’t provided any, not that your position is wrong, I’m genuinely curious how you back up your claims.
because I'm going to believe just this one time that Rishaug isn't an idiot that would believe anything..
I don't buy it. The story is changing by the minute. its laughable.
Sounds like the US now enjoying stringing this barrel story along to see who buys it.
There was actual talk this was the best team ever? Yikes. Anybody that thinks that, go and watch the 2005 gold medal game. Canada put on an absolute clinic against a very good Russian team, one of the most dominant performances I’ve ever witnessed between two elite teams. Absolutely no comparison between that team and this one. Does this team even make the top 10 of all time Cdn teams?
Not looking forward to the day he becomes a full time NHLer. We are probably going to hate him as much as we hated Kesler.I mean take the World Junior out of it for a top 10 pick isn't Zegras trending in the right direction?
I mean the only thing that really scares me about his development is that he is going to a team coached by Dallas Eakins
Classy as always America.
Hollaway looked like a gamer last night. He gives me Moreau flash backs. Loved prime Moreau. Just a beast on the puck. You need those kind of guys to tire out the other team, then the high end skill can pick the opposition apart.
When you consider how the score can be run up so easily against vastly inferior teams it really means very little.I mean neither of them had 18 points in a single tournament so, not really an accurate comparison. Huge difference between 11 in 7 and 18 in 7
How I feel about Dylan, if he works on his hands and puck control he could make a real impact being a Ethan Moreau/ Dustin brown type of player for us that can play lines 1-4Moreau is a good comparison in someways actually. Kreider’s name gets brought up a lot as well.
Little better wheels than Moreau, but he has that same relentless work ethic. McDavid has shown to play well with big wingers who can forecheck. Holloway is such a powerful skater and physical on the team as well, McDavid should be beaming thinking about him as a winger if Holloway doesn’t slot in at 3C long term.
Even internationally McDavid looked really good with Scheifeler as a winger a few years back. He tends to play his best with big, physical forechecking wingers.
I love the effort Holloway plays, he does so much right away from the puck. One area I want him to focus on with McDavid and Drai is his stick handling and puck control, if Holloway had elite hands he would have been a top 5 pick. If he can really improve on that, then Holland hit a home run with this pick. I have no doubt Holloway will be a fan favourite like Moreau was.
Dustin Brown is a really good comp that I haven’t heard before.How I feel about Dylan, if he works on his hands and puck control he could make a real impact being a Ethan Moreau/ Dustin brown type of player for us that can play lines 1-4
When you consider how the score can be run up so easily against vastly inferior teams it really means very little.
Byfield had 6 point in one game. That’s like being on pace for 42 points in 7 games.
This is the thing people forget. The huge point totals against inferior teams. They aren’t going to be producing like that at the NHL level.
A major influence is also going to be the team that surrounds them. I’m not convinced Anaheim has the supporting cast at forward to maximize Zegras’ potential.