The Laine/Torts relationship

[Iron Balls McGinty]

This seems to be a new twist.

John Tortorella benched Patrik Laine for 'mouthing off' to assistant coach

The real question was who was right and who was wrong because there are 2 sides to the story.

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[CBJWerenski8]

Oh. So he’s already causing trouble here. Lovely

 

[Columbus Jack]

Great.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Oh. So he’s already causing trouble here. Lovely

To be fair we don't know what was said. I don't recall seeing PLD get benched and we have video of Torts screaming at him on the bench. This isn't the first time and certainly won't be the last time there is conflict between players and staff.

 

[ThisIsMyAlibi]

I said it twice, and I’ll say it thrice:

I’d rather be bad and principled than good and entitled/lazy.

Laine talked a good game before arriving in Columbus. People don’t change overnight. Time will tell if he’ll take his medicine. This is the first dose. If it doesn’t work long term, he’ll be the guy whose selfish play got jettisoned from two teams by age 23. And I’ll still stand behind Torts. The preponderance of evidence shows he backs his players, doesn’t play favorites, and adheres to fundamental coaching principles. If all the “good” players in the modern NHL don’t want to be part of it, then I’m fine being bad, because how you win is just as important as winning. Unless you’re really just into lining the pockets of billionaires with your fandom. The spirit of the game matters.

 

[KJ Dangler]

So he mouthed off to an assistant off the ice, yet played the first period, and half the second ? Smokescreen

 

[CBJWerenski8]

To be fair we don't know what was said. I don't recall seeing PLD get benched and we have video of Torts screaming at him on the bench. This isn't the first time and certainly won't be the last time there is conflict between players and staff.

Which leads me to believe it wasn’t just an average pissing contest between a player and coach. Laine has a history of mouthing off to coaching. He probably told the coach to go F himself or called him bad names. Or something

I assume he said shit to Brad Larsen, because he runs the PP and forwards, and I don’t see any reason why he would communicate with Brad Shaw.

 

[Columbus Jack]

Damn took Laine less than a week to despise Brad Larsen, what a guy

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Which leads me to believe it wasn’t just an average pissing contest between a player and coach. Laine has a history of mouthing off to coaching. He probably told the coach to go F himself or called him bad names. Or something

I assume he said shit to Brad Larsen, because he runs the PP and forwards, and I don’t see any reason why he would communicate with Brad Shaw.

I'm sure you're right it was Larsen and I think we as fans in general think he is not a very good assistant coach. Maybe Laine agrees. Of course you shouldn't say it to his face but maybe Laine is actually correct in whatever was said to him.

 

[stonec]

I said it twice, and I’ll say it thrice:

I’d rather be bad and principled than good and entitled/lazy.

Laine talked a good game before arriving in Columbus. People don’t change overnight. Time will tell if he’ll take his medicine. This is the first dose. If it doesn’t work long term, he’ll be the guy whose selfish play got jettisoned from two teams by age 23. And I’ll still stand behind Torts. The preponderance of evidence shows he backs his players, doesn’t play favorites, and adheres to fundamental coaching principles. If all the “good” players in the modern NHL don’t want to be part of it, then I’m fine being bad, because how you win is just as important as winning. Unless you’re really just into lining the pockets of billionaires with your fandom. The spirit of the game matters.

That's one side of the argument, the other is that you also have to be able co-operate with your star players. Normally I would blame the player, but history has repeated itself too many times now for this to be incidental or be solely due to selfish players. And yeah sure, they can decide to run a team without star players, but that doesn't bode well for any Stanley Cup hopes. Jarmo will soon have to decide what is more important, Tortorella's ego and 90's coaching style, which is enough to take the team into the first round of the playoffs, or building towards something different.

 

[Jovavic]

There's not agreeing with a coach, and then there's being disrespectful to a coach.

 

[Muikea Bulju]

So he mouthed off to an assistant off the ice, yet played the first period, and half the second ? Smokescreen

The "off-ice" meant probably = said something to an assistant on the bench, after telling him something like "forecheck harder"

Was the "mouthing" something like "Yeah I know what I'm doing thanks" or something actually bad like "F O you POS"

 

[Muikea Bulju]

Damn took Laine less than a week to despise Brad Larsen, what a guy

Is he that bad? Something in particular he has done?

 

[majormajor]

Is he that bad? Something in particular he has done?

He's been the PP coach off and on through some awful years of 5v4. So of course there are some fans that think he is responsible for it.

 

[Muikea Bulju]

Which leads me to believe it wasn’t just an average pissing contest between a player and coach. Laine has a history of mouthing off to coaching. He probably told the coach to go F himself or called him bad names. Or something

I assume he said shit to Brad Larsen, because he runs the PP and forwards, and I don’t see any reason why he would communicate with Brad Shaw.

"has a history of mouthing off to coaching"

= as a 15-year-old had an incident, but didn't even change teams, even though the same city has more than 3 competing teams, and almost all of his teammates from that team ended up playing for at least 2 of those.

Imagine, his "mouthing off" was so bad he ended up being one of the few guys on his team to NOT change teams at any point in his junior career

 

[Columbus Jack]

Is he that bad? Something in particular he has done?

He probably told Laine he needs to dump and chase more on the PP

 

[CBJWerenski8]

That's one side of the argument, the other is that you also have to be able co-operate with your star players. Normally I would blame the player, but history has repeated itself too many times now for this to be incidental or be solely due to selfish players. And yeah sure, they can decide to run a team without star players, but that doesn't bode well for any Stanley Cup hopes. Jarmo will soon have to decide what is more important, Tortorella's ego and 90's coaching style, which is enough to take the team into the first round of the playoffs, or building towards something different.

I don’t think Torts will be here after this year. Likely his assistants won’t either.

But if Laine can’t cooperate with coaching, this is a known issue in his past, he shouldn’t be here.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

"has a history of mouthing off to coaching"

= as a 15-year-old had an incident, but didn't even change teams, even though the same city has more than 3 competing teams, and almost all of his teammates from that team ended up playing for at least 2 of those.

Imagine, his "mouthing off" was so bad he ended up being one of the few guys on his team to NOT change teams at any point in his junior career

He didn’t take too kindly some of the coaching from Maurice either. I’m not saying it was as bad as his 15 year old blowup, but it’s worth mentioning.

Maybe Maurice and his staff tolerated Laine’s mouth. But it’s clear that Torts and his staff won’t

 

[Muikea Bulju]

He didn’t take too kindly some of the coaching from Maurice either. I’m not saying it was as bad as his 15 year old blowup, but it’s worth mentioning.

Maybe Maurice and his staff tolerated Laine’s mouth. But it’s clear that Torts and his staff won’t

Tortorella clearly tolerated Dubois straight up shouting at him on the bench in front of cameras

"Maybe Maurice and his staff tolerated Laine’s mouth"

What mouth? I haven't heard a single incident about this.

 

[Columbus Jack]

Tortorella clearly tolerated Dubois straight up shouting at him on the bench in front of cameras

"Maybe Maurice and his staff tolerated Laine’s mouth"

What mouth? I haven't heard a single incident about this.

Well until today

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Tortorella clearly tolerated Dubois straight up shouting at him on the bench in front of cameras

"Maybe Maurice and his staff tolerated Laine’s mouth"

What mouth? I haven't heard a single incident about this.

PLDouche apparently never crossed a line. Laine apparently did. I don’t know what went on in either instance, but the coaching staff has zero reason to target Laine, and in fact they have every reason to bend over backwards to please him. Maybe that’s what he expected, but that’s not what he’s going to get.

Im not even on Torts side in this. But you can’t disrespect coaching like that. What PLDouche did is okay to me, and I would have no problem if that’s what Laine did, but it was apparently worse.

 

[Muikea Bulju]

Well until today

Has there today been an incident brought up between Laine and Maurice?

 

[Columbus Jack]

Has there today been an incident brought up between Laine and Maurice?

Not until today!

 

[LetsGOJackets!!]

Give me a break. This is fake frickin news here. Larsen may have said this is how I want this done and Patty said that isn't working. Then Patty scored on the PP so with that maybe it is time to try something new. Dropping the puck back isn't fooling anyone when you do it every f***ing play.

 

[Toe Pick]

I also have to wonder if Laine ripped Larsen for the horrendous power play strategy.

We’ve already seen how outspoken he is and we all know how easy it is to get triggered from that abomination.