Prospect Info: The Juvenile 2020 Draft Thread

[Stud Muffin]

Which is fine, if Jarvis and Quinn are taken. Just stay away from Guhle and Lundell. Not because they are bad, but because we need a scoring winger and neither of them are that.

Lundell can definitely shift to the wing and has a wicked shot. There’s about 8 guys I’d take before Holloway.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Scouch spittin' truth on Guhle.

I agree.
Do you want a guy who will put you in defensive situations more often than offensive ones even if they are good at defense?

Easy answer. No.

 

[McDNicks17]

Pretty cool thread from the Barrie Colts' Skating Development Coach about Foerster.

 

[McDoused]

I agree. Feels like Askarov might be getting more hype, but I don't think he has the resume to be getting more hype than Vasi.

Askarov just pitched a 33 save shutout in his first KHL start.

 

[Llamamoto]

Askarov just pitched a 33 save shutout in his first KHL start.

2nd KHL start if I'm not mistaken.

 

[McDoused]

2nd KHL start if I'm not mistaken.

I don't think he started the 1st game of the season, I think he came in relief. But I'm not sure, just quoting another poster.

 

[ImmuneEH]

Lundell can definitely shift to the wing and has a wicked shot. There’s about 8 guys I’d take before Holloway.

You have him at #9? That's a lot higher than I have him. /s

 

[CycloneSweep]

Lundell can definitely shift to the wing and has a wicked shot. There’s about 8 guys I’d take before Holloway.

So Holloway is our guy.

 

[Stud Muffin]

You have him at #9? That's a lot higher than I have him. /s

I meant there will be at least 8 guys at 14 I have ranked ahead of Holloway

 

[PKSpecialist]

In the media? Sure. But as an actual prospect? No, absolutely not. Remember Vasi was drafted only a year after Kucherov was drafted late in the 2nd round. This was the height of the Russian/KHL scare, and he was still taken in the 1st round, as a goalie. That should tell you something.

I agree. Feels like Askarov might be getting more hype, but I don't think he has the resume to be getting more hype than Vasi.

To each their own I guess, but when watching the two, Askarov is far superior. He has Marc-Andre Fleury’s athleticism, but has control to his movement.
I understand that some of the stats point to Vasilevskiy, but Askarov has much more to his game now than Vasilevskiy did in his draft year. If he continues his trajectory, we could be talking about one of the best ever, and that is coming from someone who hates right handed goalies...they look awkward, but this one just has something about him that makes me think he’s not just the best goalie in the draft, but approaching a generational talent.

***if I’m wrong I’m blaming the hand he plays for the record.

 

[McDoused]

To each their own I guess, but when watching the two, Askarov is far superior. He has Marc-Andre Fleury’s athleticism, but has control to his movement.
I understand that some of the stats point to Vasilevskiy, but Askarov has much more to his game now than Vasilevskiy did in his draft year. If he continues his trajectory, we could be talking about one of the best ever, and that is coming from someone who hates right handed goalies...they look awkward, but this one just has something about him that makes me think he’s not just the best goalie in the draft, but approaching a generational talent.

***if I’m wrong I’m blaming the hand he plays for the record.

I would love to see Holland draft Askarov. He will be patient with him and let him develop properly.

The thing is, you never really know how a player is going to pan out. I feel like we already know how good he can be and the rest is up to the player.

 

[Stud Muffin]

If Askarov is still around at about pick 12 I think there’s going to be a team that try’s to move ahead of us and Carolina to get him.

 

[Reginald Dunlop]

If Askarov is still around at about pick 12 I think there’s going to be a team that try’s to move ahead of us and Carolina to get him.

This actually just occurred in a 7 Rd mock I'm taking part in for the Oilers, Leafs moved up to grab him at 12.

Unfortunately at 14 Jarvis and Quinn were both gone, and despite my efforts to trade down there were no takers. I took Zary, as I hope the Oilers actually do if the same scenario presents itself in real life, but strongly considered Reichel at that spot.

 

[Smartguy]

This guy seems to think Askarov and Price are very similar at the same age.

 

[BarDownBobo]

If Askarov is still around at about pick 12 I think there’s going to be a team that try’s to move ahead of us and Carolina to get him.

I hope Holland is making the call to do so. Panthers likely want a dman and the Canes won’t pick one so might lower the cost when they can still get their pick of the crop of dmen at 14.

 

[oil Leaks]

If Askarov is still around at about pick 12 I think there’s going to be a team that try’s to move ahead of us and Carolina to get him.

I'd be looking trade up options, if he slides past the top 10.

 

[Giggleplex]

He's looking better than I thought:

 

[Soli]

Cause ya'll love to press buttons.

 

[McDoused]

Cause ya'll love to press buttons.

Pretty easy to pick Jack Quinn here.

I think the Oilers could be looking hard at that secondary group of Mercer, Holloway, Jary, Schneider and Reichel. Probably a group we should be talking more of.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Pretty easy to pick Jack Quinn here.

I think the Oilers could be looking hard at that secondary group of Mercer, Holloway, Jary, Schneider and Reichel. Probably a group we should be talking more of.

Fine with most of that group except Holloway

 

[Hoparazzi]

If Askarov is 5-7 years out is that significant compared to the level of forward at d typically available at 14? Heck, if Pulju makes it this season it’ll be his draft +4, and he was (nearly) a consensus top 3.

Here’s the players picked at 14 dating back to ‘05 and how many years it took them to make the bigs (I used 50 games as “making it”—subjective, I know):

2005 Pokulok - bust
2006 Grabner -4 years
2007 Shattenkirk - 5 years
2008 Boychuk - bust
2009 Kulikov - draft year
2010 Schwartz -4 years
2011 Oleksiak - 7 years
2012 Girgensens - 2 years
2013 Morrisey - 4 years
2014 Honka - hasn’t made it in 6 years
2015 DeBrusk - 3 years
2016 McAvoy - 3 years
2017 Foote - hasn’t made it in first 3 post-draft seasons
2018 Farabee - 2 years

More players than not took >/= 4 years to make bigs. If Oilers draft Askarov and he takes 5 is that really a big deal?

For comparison, here’s the tendies drafted top 15 since ‘05:

2019 Knight (14th) it’s early
2012 Vasilevskiy (*19th)- 5 years
2010 Campbell (11th) - 9 years
2006 Bernier (11th) - 8 years
2005 Price (5th) - 3 years

So there is risk Askarov (should he make it) takes >5 years, but 3/5 goalies listed above are premier to franchise level talents and the early returns on Knight are promising. Both Vasilevskiy and Price would go first OA in redrafts. When a team could nab a top 5 equivalent, franchise-altering tender at 14th OA—gotta be hard to pass.

Probably moot.

 

[Giggleplex]

Both Vasilevskiy and Price would go first OA in redrafts.

I don't think Price goes 1OA over Crosby

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

If Askarov is still around at about pick 12 I think there’s going to be a team that try’s to move ahead of us and Carolina to get him.

The team I wonder about is Ottawa. They could come out with a top centre prospect, potentially top d (if they go there), so why not go the trifecta of smart development with the best goaltender available and by some reports the best tender prospect in fifteen years. Ottawa has the draft collateral to do this, a critical need in its prospect pool, and a fanbase needed a massive injection of belief and trust with its ownership group.

Still would like the Oilers to take Askarov and fix yet another critical hole in its failed draft/development work over like forever.

 

[McDoused]

Maybe this is a dumb question but why does everyone care so much about projecting when a guy will make the jump to NHL?

Holland is the last guy to rush prospects to the NHL.

 

[McDNicks17]

Maybe this is a dumb question but why does everyone care so much about projecting when a guy will make the jump to NHL?

Holland is the last guy to rush prospects to the NHL.

I'd say it's because contribution during ELC/RFA years is huge in today's NHL.

A guy like Quinn could give you six seasons in the NHL before Askarov gives you three.