The Jordan Thread

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  1. Stylizer1 SENSimillanaire

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    I see a rather short white guy at the front. Isn't that John Stockton?:laugh:
     
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    Agreed. Jordan and/or Pippen had nothing to do with Isiah's exclusion.
     
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    Isiah had declined by 1992 and was closer to the 8th best point guard in the league. He didn't deserve to be anywhere close to team USA as a player, and his popularity was leagues behind Magic's.
     
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    Wonder if 'Nique would have made the Dream team if he was healthy.

    He averaged 28, 3 & 7 in 1992 before tearing his achilles. Have to think he makes it over Drexler if he's healthy.

    Bird had the same issues with Isiah as Jordan did. Thomas could be very unprofessional at times and unsportsmanlike. When you have beef with the 3 most popular players in the league / on the team .... good luck making it to the final cut.
     
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    Agreed. Magic and Stockton were much better. More importantly a member of the Selection Committee admitted in the Dream Team documentary that they were working on their list during the 1991 Eastern Conference playoffs when the childish, immature Isiah lead the Pistons off the court before the end of the game where the Bulls eliminated the Pistons from the playoffs. They all agreed we can't have this clown representing the USA in the biggest event in Olympic history. This was before Jordan was invited and he was the last NBA player to accept (except for 12th invite Drexler), because he wanted to see what other NBA players would accept. People also forget Isiah was just as bad a Knicks executive as Phil Jackson and lost a sexual harassment lawsuit filed by a Knicks employee.

    No knowledgeable basketball fan associates or blames Jordan or Pippen for Isiah not being on the Dream Team at all. When they try I just :laugh: .
     
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    Nonsense. Isiah was still a really good player in '92 (although injuries were starting to pile up and was showing some signs of wear and tear).
    He was the lead guy of a dynasty that could have easily won 3 in a row (should have won in '88) during the Magic, Bird and Jordan era and was one of the best big game players of all time. He deserved to be on that team as much as anybody not named Jordan, Bird and Magic.

    Hell, even Jordan admitted that the main reason he wasn't on the team is because half the guys didn't want him on the team and said he was the 2nd best point guard of all time behind Magic. It's amazing to me how underrated Isiah (and The Bad Boys) are to this day.
     
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    Ok but IT's sexual harassment allegations and his time with the Knicks has 0 to do with any of this.

    He and Magic were actually super close when he started his career, he used to attend the finals to cheer on Magic, who was like a big brother / mentor to him. Then he managed to burn that bridge, as well as his relationship with Bird and then started things off on the wrong foot with Jordan.

    Even if he wasn't elite anymore, he'd of made the team if he hadn't burnt all those bridges. Hard to include a guy who 1/4 of the team doesn't like. That same quarter being the main guys / leaders.
     
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    I heard a very long time ago that the reason Thomas didn't like Jordan was because Thomas was born in Chicago and Jordan became bigger than him in his home town. The crowd would boo Thomas and that really got to him.

     
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    Isiah gets extremely overrated in hindsight actually because he needs to be played up as the obstacle and adversary in Michael Jordan's journey. First of all, his best seasons statistically and by league-wide perception at the time all came before the Pistons ever won a championship. His last season voted onto an all-NBA team was 1987. Joe Dumars was even voted onto an all-NBA team in 1990 while Isiah wasn't. Other point guards like Stockton, Kevin Johnson, Mark Price, and Tim Hardaway repeatedly made all-NBA slots over Isiah from 1988-92, and all of those players were better statistically by 1992 as well. He wasn't viewed as the second best PG behind Magic even at the time.

    Second, the Pistons teams won 2 championships because they had the best defense in the playoffs by a huge margin - 1.7 points per 100 possession in 89 and 3.9 (!) points per 100 possessions in 90 - despite closer to playoff average (4th and 8th of 16 teams) offenses in those years, and because they had a deep roster of good players. Their playoff offense in 1989 was better (!) with Thomas on the bench, and he had the lowest offensive rating of any of their 9 rotation players that postseason. Isiah was a good defender for a point guard, but point guard is the least important and impactful position defensively, while being generally the most important offensively. The fact that the Pistons were historically good at defense those two years and just solid at offense shows that Isiah's influence was important but one of many that went into those teams. He was too inefficient of a scorer to be one of the best players in the world. Those championships were a true team effort; they weren't the case of Isiah just being the best player in every series and carrying a solid squad to a title.
     
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    People disagreed with the style of basketball they played and, thus, took credit away from them.

    Is it right? Probably not, but I also can see why people don't want to give them their due credit based on how overly physical they were in a sport that doesn't really lend itself towards physicality.
     
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    You know Jordan was the GOAT when the GOATs of the time and his era were already calling him that. They conceded to his greatness while he was still playing, and playing against them.
     
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    The Pistons were the NBA version of the '70's Flyers.
     
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