The Jack Johnson effect - Maybe he is as bad as Pens fans say

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  1. JaegerDice

    JaegerDice Q Gonna Q

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    I know those feels.

    The Blackhawks won a cup in 2015 in large part because Rozsival broke his ankle and Q couldn't play a #5 dman (at best) 15+ minutes a game.
     
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    JaegerDice Q Gonna Q

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    I haven't seen a single stat that demonstrates Karlsson is anything other than excellent.

    Roman Josi? Sure, there's a divisive player.

    Karlsson? No.
     
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    well hopefully for the pens once justin schultz is back johnson is the guy bumped off the ice because of it

    hahaha of course not, jack johnson is invulnerable to the consequences of being terrible. somehow, there he is, out on the ice all the time regardless. averaging 22:37 per game his career

    somehow

    regardless

    he's actually averaging the least ice time of his career this season with the pens (18:56)

    so he's upped his incompetence to compensate i guess
     
  4. Deuce Awesome

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    Do some reading on what it means to be a sociopath.

    I was the same as you, I had such great parents it seemed like these people didn't exist. Until I married my awesome wife and got to know her parents.

    If they are ever questioned on anything they spin it in ways that are hard to comprehend. Blows my mind. Thank god she is not like them.


    My take on all this, is it possible that big defencemen are such a hot and rare commodity that they are given much more rope than forwards? Also perhaps the arrogance of some teams management makes them think that "under their structure" the player will be better? I mean the Pens turned Schultz from a laughing stock into a decent player.

    I mean if Phaneuf, Girardi and Gudbranson were forwards they would all be in the AHL right now for life.
     
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    Telos In Blake We Must Trust

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    He used to have decent offensive instincts and shot, but was god awful in his own zone and defensively. His solution to everything was to try to run at players and push them around with strength but they would just agilely skate around him and make a play.

    He honestly didn't know what to do after his speed and strength weren't enough... He just couldn't think the game anymore, he had all of the tools but no toolbox.

    Obviously, he was a mercy signing. He is one of the saddest stories in the sport with his parents and his bankruptcy, and he is Crosby's best friend growing up and always wanted to play with him. Sid had everything to do with him being signed.
     
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    Stuff like this is what’s wrong with the analytics crowd. Don’t get me wrong, analytics are a big part of hockey, but to think you or other fans are smarter than GMs or other fans because you think you use the right analytics is a crock. GMs are smarter and have more infortmation than you, deal with it. Mistakes will always be made, look at baseball for example, a sport where the actual analytics are much more advanced than in hockey, and just recently have the GMs stopped giving out albatross contracts, but mistakes will still be made.
    So no, you are not smarter than NHL GMs or the average NHL fan even, just because you look at the odd graph or spread sheet. Hockey clubs have more and better numbers than you, and they still get it wrong all the time.
     
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    So basically the guys on that list that have a positive number with him on the ice are mostly the crash the net gritty goal types... he doesn’t translate to the finess style and his best attributes are already mirrored by other pens defensemen... just a real bad fit for this team
     
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    He will be needed for the tank when with either Malkin or Crosby go on that daddy time.
     
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    This should be cited at his commitment hearing.
     
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    billybudd 1for the other thumb

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    Don't worry, we've been trying to figure that out too. No luck, so far.
     
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    This is a consistent theme for Johnson. He plays best when he gets a ton of TOI. At his best he is a decent 2nd pairing guy. Not what you want playing top pairing minutes. But as he gets moved down the lineup and gets fewer minutes he gets worse. For JJ it is either #3/4 defenseman getting #1 minutes or a #6/7/8 guy getting less.

    Happened in LA when Doughty established himself as the clear cut #1. Happened in Columbus after Jackets began to rely more on Jones/Werenski/Murray.
     
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    Karlsson's career plus minus is negative 32.
     
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    you can imagine if Pens Jackets play in the playoffs and JJ is a healthy scratch.

    Im sure Torts will have something to say about that.
     
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    *Face palms so hard it goes thru the back of my head and dents the concrete wall behind me*
     
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    Who stole more money, Jack's parents from him or Jack from NHL GM's? ;)


    Okay, now I feel like a dick....
     
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    Just about everyone except Pittsburgh knew this in the offseason.
     
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    Most important question...does he still do random head fakes?
     

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