The Jack Johnson effect - Maybe he is as bad as Pens fans say

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  1. Aceboogie

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    I wish there was hearing committees for NHL GMs like there is for politicians.

    I want an NHL GM or 3 to honestly answer why they think JJ is a good NHL D. JJ has fooled 2-3 NHL GMs (and all of those Gms support staff). JJs very poor underlying metrics have been front and center to almost everyone since 2014. Its incredible error in judgement to give him that contract. But what the hell are NHL GMs thinking

    Count me in the crowd that thinks most NHL GMs are incredibly overrated
     
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    He just needed to play on a team with a winning culture.
     
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    He's a monster in the playoffs. 21 points in 23 games. He has never been past the first round though.
     
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    Looking at him against Philly. He can’t even receive a pass. Like 5 major defensive gaffes in the first period.
     
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    So what you're saying is he's gonna turn into Erik Karlsson in the playoffs for the pens. :thumbu:
     
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    I want to see these "fancy" stats right now! because I believe you are just spreading BS
     
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    Few things in life make me happier than threads that put into words and numbers how crappy some players are. Especially the ones that keep fooling GMs into thinking they are NHL-caliber. The guy sucks and is a perfect example of how NHL GMs will in some ways never learn.
     
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    HE IS
     
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    Those tools are gone too.
     
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    Zach Aston-Reese must be a hell of a player.
     
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    Machinehead Prime Minister of the Anders Lee Fanclub

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    He's always been that bad and some people just don't wanna listen.
     
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    I was cautiously optimistic before the season. Sure JJ's last few years were a bit rough. But sometimes players just need a fresh start and can be effective.

    Alas, it was not meant to be. He's ****ing awful. In almost every aspect. He have one good game then 5 absolute stinkers.

    Only a handful more years though.

    I just threw up in my mouth.
     
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    I think the sarcasm was missed. There's threads and posts all over this place where someone has a bunch of stats showing that player X really isn't as good as everyone thinks. EK was just one of the more absurd examples I saw earlier this season. Again I was just refuting the implication that a good chunk of HF posters could successfully run franchises better than the people currently employed to do so.
     
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    Okay, but even speaking statistically, you experiencing a handful of amateurs interpreting their numbers incorrectly does nothing to dismiss the point about the value of analytics. Beyond that, pretty sure the implication was that most posters here wouldn't have been stupid enough to offer Jack Johnson a five year contract, and could put together a decent presentation to that effect. That's a one-time decision, not prolonged time with the franchise's day-to-day operation. You're arguing to argue.
     
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    He watched Bergevin a season earlier, sign a slightly younger guy who was a healthy scratch in that year's playoffs to a 5 year contract
     
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    "... it wasn't because of how he was playing.( It's because of how everyone else played with him.)"
     
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    Alzner wasn’t a healthy scratch in the playoffs, he had a broken hand.
     
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    jj is the pens worst dman since paul martin.
     
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    With Schultz back soon and Riikola continuing to play well, Johnson should honestly be not dressed during the stretch run and playoffs.

    Penguins have Dmen that are playing much better than him but somehow he is still getting the 3rd most ice time by Dmen.

    Had a shaky first tonight but looked good the second and third. First time I could say that in awhile.
     
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    I'm not arguing with anyone about anything. The post I originally quoted said that most GM's in the league are stupid because they don't use stats like fans do. I simply said if the general HF braintrust was running franchises, **** would fall apart.

    It's easy to say so and so is an idiot for doing whatever. Its another thing to have absolutely no knowledge of or about anyone involved in said dealings. Do bad contracts happen? Of course. Do regular people get hired on for jobs that are far better than their qualifications should allow for? Of course. This odd sentiment around here that the vast majority of GM's in the NHL are mostly stupid people that could be doing so much better on the ice if they'd just do blah blah blah is interesting to me, that's all. Its easy to say you'd do something a better way when you remove all context, and weren't even in the know in any sort of regard to begin with.

    I'm sure it's a safe bet that a lot of head scratching moves that get made in professional sports are all at least partially motivated by circumstances nobody is privy to.
     
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    Come on JJ fake an injury and go on LTIR the rest of your career.
     
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    Man, everyone knew he was garbage 3 years ago, if not longer.

    When it was rumored that Montreal.had heavy interest in him, kr were favourites to sign him I was scared.
     
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    Jack Johnson is a good singer. Like his Banana Pancakes.
     
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    But Paul Martin was good.. lets say worst since Murray, Eaton, Scuderi.
     
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