The Jack Johnson effect - Maybe he is as bad as Pens fans say

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  1. fragmag

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    Proof?
     
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    How about the eye test where you look for him in the playoffs and you can't ****ing find him because he's terrible and was a healthy scratch the entire series?
     
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    That's not why he was scratched. At least according to JR.
     
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    Except Daley was actually a damn good player before he ever got to the Pens. Johnson has never been a good player in the NHL, ever.
     
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    Based on his analytics, no he wasn't. He was a horrendous analytics player his entire career.

    But like JR said, he knows why Johnson was scratched and it wasn't his play.
     
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    At some point Pittsburgh needs to waive him, I guess when JS comes back.

    Cannot go into postseason with JJ in top 6. My guess is he gets the Karl Alzner treatment very soon.

    Dead cap space for Pittsburgh. Very happy about that.
     
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    Jack Johnson is there because he's Crosby's friend. If Crosby wants him there he isn't getting moved.
     
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    Man, every time I see Jack Johnson's name it makes me sad. I just can't get my head around how parents could steal from their own kid. Mind boggling.
     
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    Still waiting on your proof, not your opinion.
     
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    If Crosby runs the show and we're blaming him for JJ, he is also due credit for putting together three teams that won Cups.

    Yeah the logic sucks. It doesn't make any sense. But it isn't stopping anyone else!
     
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    These people you speak of also have a bunch of fancy stats that prove some of the best players in the league, like Erik Karlsson, aren't actually very good hockey players.

    If the NHL was suddenly overrun by people who share the same sentiments as the HF braintrust, the league would crash and burn.
     
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    Jack Johnston is one of the greatest examples that proves just how wrong some eye test people are about their evaluations of players. Brian Burke,David Poile and others thought that JJ was one of the best American d men when they chose him to play on team USA at the 2010 Olympics. That season he had by far a team worst -15 on a good defensive team, the second worst dman had a -4 and Doughty was a +20 playing the most and toughest minutes.


    What annoys me so much about some of these people is just how arrogant they are and how dismissive they are about people who put a lot of value on analytics.
     
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    The answer is pretty clear here, right?

    Just play him with the 4 guys that he is a plus with problem solved.

    Advanced stats are the answer to everything.:thumbu:
     
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    While you arent incorrect, when the evidence is there that Sid likely pushed for this its really not all that suprising.
     
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    Too much time surfing and playing acoustic guitar, dude needs to switch to Fortnite.
     
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    That was a bizarre story right up there with Gilbert Brule's father and that St. Louis guy that hired a hit man. (can't remember his name).

    Bobby Ryan in his teens is another interesting truth is stranger than fiction story as well.
     
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    Advanced stats frequently rate Erik Karlsson as by far the best defenseman and a top-5 player in the NHL.
     
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    When expansion goes to 40 NHL teams under Bettman, the expansion fee will be like 1 billion dollars and the Honolulu Hawaiians GM Cliff fletcher will draft Jack Johnson with their first pick.

    Fletcher in the presser will talk about JJ's calming influence in the locker room and how they want to build a relaxed team like atmosphere.
     
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    Which seasons are you talking about? In most of Karlssons best seasons analytics have shown that he is much better defensively than people think.
     
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    Coach: "Well boys, we missed the playoffs. Again. Jack-"
    JJ: "Well I was sittin waitin wishin.."
    Team: "Chill. So chill."
     
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    LMAO X 2- Every Hurricanes fan.

    Delighted that this is happening to both Rutherford AND Jack.
     
  22. GOilers88

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    There were a few of threads earlier this year where lots of people kept trying to argue he wasn't as good as his reputation. My point was that people on HF throwing advanced stats around would certainly not make them better GM's than most currently employed, like he implied.
     
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    I was trying to think of a similar way to put it....this nails it
     
  24. JoeThorntonsRooster

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    Actually, it was the people who use advanced stats who suggested that Karlsson was playing great and his counting stats would shortly return to the norm.
     
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    This is the oddest comment of all time. I dont even want to pile on it. I actually want to understand where this came from. The analytics community loves Karlsson, he is the poster boy for them. He is actually very underrated when it comes to advanced stats. Because his advanced stats are always thru the roof, but other D keep on winning Norris trophies with much lower metrics

    Maybe some Toronto fan or jaded Ottawa fan was trying to say what you said above, but I cant see anyone with any degree of knowledge in hockey analytics ever saying Karlsson isnt a very good hockey player
     
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