Hagged
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There was a post on the Ducks board with a link to an article that caught my attention.
http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/story/2014-05-12/nhl-zone-entry-stats-anaheim-ducks-la-kings-sami-vatanen-stanley-cup-playoffs?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
At first glance the impact of Vatanen to the Corsi of on ice team mates seemed too high to be true. Then I noticed Vatanen had a higher percentage of offensive zone starts and lesser QOC than most of his team mates. This would obviously skew the stats for the lower ZS% higher QOC team mates when their stats are compared with and without Vatanen. But how to correct for that zone start difference?
There is a sentence in the article "Vatanen was entering the offensive zone 59.5 percent of the time with control, which was nearly twice as successful as any of the other blueliners on the team (Lindholm was second with 37.3 percent, while most of the others were sub-20 percent). Only Cam Fowler was better at successfully exiting the defensive zone." What does this basically mean? Vatanen doesn't like to chip it in, or doesn't lose control while trying the zone entry / exit?
Vatanen was mostly spending time in the AHL due to his size and defensive shortcomings. Those who watched the Ducks last season saw that Vatanen brought a puck possession element to the third pairing when he was in the line-up, but he had problems without the puck in the D-zone going against Thornton for example.
So my question is this: How to rate the impact of offense only D-men on team performance through advanced stats without having to rely only on Corsi stats which obviously are high for these players as they generally are getting easier mach-ups with high OZS%.
Where do we see the size handicap of Vatanen in underlying defensive stats? If he's bad at defense, it should show up somewhere. How does his stats compare to other OFD in the NHL?
http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/story/2014-05-12/nhl-zone-entry-stats-anaheim-ducks-la-kings-sami-vatanen-stanley-cup-playoffs?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
At first glance the impact of Vatanen to the Corsi of on ice team mates seemed too high to be true. Then I noticed Vatanen had a higher percentage of offensive zone starts and lesser QOC than most of his team mates. This would obviously skew the stats for the lower ZS% higher QOC team mates when their stats are compared with and without Vatanen. But how to correct for that zone start difference?
There is a sentence in the article "Vatanen was entering the offensive zone 59.5 percent of the time with control, which was nearly twice as successful as any of the other blueliners on the team (Lindholm was second with 37.3 percent, while most of the others were sub-20 percent). Only Cam Fowler was better at successfully exiting the defensive zone." What does this basically mean? Vatanen doesn't like to chip it in, or doesn't lose control while trying the zone entry / exit?
Vatanen was mostly spending time in the AHL due to his size and defensive shortcomings. Those who watched the Ducks last season saw that Vatanen brought a puck possession element to the third pairing when he was in the line-up, but he had problems without the puck in the D-zone going against Thornton for example.
So my question is this: How to rate the impact of offense only D-men on team performance through advanced stats without having to rely only on Corsi stats which obviously are high for these players as they generally are getting easier mach-ups with high OZS%.
Where do we see the size handicap of Vatanen in underlying defensive stats? If he's bad at defense, it should show up somewhere. How does his stats compare to other OFD in the NHL?