The Hockey News Top 100 Players

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Can somone get me a copy of The Hockey News Top 100 Players

I have the top 50 but i need the other 50


The Hockey News Top 50 list

1. Wayne Gretzky, C
2. Bobby Orr, D
3. Gordie Howe, RW
4. Mario Lemieux, C
5. Maurice Richard, RW
6. Doug Harvey, D
7. Jean Beliveau, C
8. Bobby Hull, LW
9. Terry Sawchuk, G
10. Eddie Shore, D
11. Guy Lafleur, RW
12. Mark Messier, C
13. Jacques Plante, G
14. Ray Bourque, D
15. Howie Morenz, C
16. Glenn Hall, G
17. Stan Mikita, C
18. Phil Esposito, C
19. Denis Potvin, D
20. Mike Bossy, RW
21. Ted Lindsay, LW
22. Red Kelly, C/D
23. Bobby Clarke, C
24. Larry Robinson, D
25. Ken Dryden, G
26. Frank Mahovlich, LW
27. Milt Schmidt, C
28. Paul Coffey, D
29. Henri Richard, C
30. Bryan Trottier, C
31. Dickie Moore, LW
32. Newsy Lalonde, C
33. Syl Apps, C
34. Bill Durnan, G
35. Patrick Roy, G
36. Charlie Conacher, RW
37. Jaromir Jagr, RW
38. Marcel Dionne, C
39. Joe Malone, C
40. Chris Chelios, D
41. Dit Clapper, D
42. Bernie Geoffrion, RW
43. Tim Horton, D
44. Bill Cook, RW
45. Johnny Bucyk, LW
46. George Hainsworth, G
47. Gilbert Perreault, C
48. Max Bentley, C
49. Brad Park, D
50. Jari Kurri, RW

http://slam.canoe.ca/Gretzky/gretzky_top50.html

50 Jari Kurri
51 Nels Stewart
52 King Clancy
53 Bill Cowley
54 Eric Lindros
55 Harvey "Busher" Jackson
56 Peter Stastny
57 Ted Kennedy
58 Andy Bathgate
59 Pierre Pilote
60 Turk Broda
61 Frank Boucher
62 Cy Denneny
63 Bernie Parent
64 Brett Hull
65 Aurel Joliat
66 Toe Blake
67 Frank Brimsek
68 Elmer Lach
69 Dave Keon
70 Grant Fuhr
71 Brian Leetch
72 Earl Seibert
73 Doug Bentley
74 Borje Salming
75 Georges Vezina
76 Chuck Gardiner
77 Clint Benedict
78 Steve Yzerman
79 Tony Esposito
80 Billy Smith
81 Serge Savard
82 Alex Delvecchio
83 Cecil "Babe" Dye
84 Lorne Chabot
85 Sid Abel
86 Bob Gainey
87 Johnny Bower
88 Sprague Cleghorn
89 Mike Gartner
90 Norm Ullman
91 Sweeney Schriner
92 Joe Primeau
93 Darryl Sittler
94 Joe Sakic
95 Dominik Hasek
96 Babe Pratt
97 Jack Stewart
98 Yvan Cournoyer
99 Bill Gadsby
100 Frank Nighbor

Ty Hockey Outside and BM67
 
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Leaf Lander said:
Can somone get me a copy of The Hockey News Top 100 Players

I have the top 50 but i need the other 50




http://slam.canoe.ca/Gretzky/gretzky_top50.html

The Hockey News list is inherently flawed. It was based on votes by many hockey people but, did they actually see every player play from 1917 to the present? How could they possibly vote for players they have never seen in action?

A list like this without Cy Denneny in the top 15 is a complete travesty.
 

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What do you guys think about Jagr? At the time he was 37 with an arrow pointing up. From reading some post on the NHL boards some people have said that he might have played his way off of this list. Also who do you think is missing from this list? Kharlamov? Sakic? Yzerman? Brodeur? Hasek?
 

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A list like this without Cy Denneny in the top 15 is a complete travesty.

No, Guy Lafleur not being #1 is a travesty! :madfire: They know nothing about hockey!
 

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No Sakic? No Hasek?... what sport were the THN staff watching in the nineties?

Kurri on the list but several greats not?

Oh, how I remember the controversies over that list!
 

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This list was made in 1997 was it not? From that period of time on a lot of good players cemented their status as greats.
 

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#66 said:
What do you guys think about Jagr? At the time he was 37 with an arrow pointing up. From reading some post on the NHL boards some people have said that he might have played his way off of this list. Also who do you think is missing from this list? Kharlamov? Sakic? Yzerman? Brodeur? Hasek?

The list was done in `97 so a lot of those guys you mentioned hadn`t hit their big years yet. I remember Yzerman was the big omission that startled most people. IIRC, Yzerman, Sakic and Hasek were all in the 51-100 group, but it`s safe to say they`d be top 50 today. Patrick Roy would also likely be rated a lot higher than #35.

About Jagr, very often with active players, their current status influences our rankings of their careers. As underachieving as he`s been lately, when he`s retired he`ll be a consensus top 50 choice. When this list was done, Eric Lindros was between 51-60. It was before the concussions and he was the dominant player in the league. If it was done now he probably wouldn`t be top 100.

They tried to choose a panel of experts to represent all eras, but naturally the early stars do tend to get shafted. Often these lists say more about the people making them than the players on them. THN became very arrogant about the list, talking about it like it was "the definitive ranking". It`s all just opinions; and everybody has one. Change a couple of panel members and the list changes.

Having said all that, I agree whole-heartedly with the top 3 choices. Even though I`d pick Gretzky, it`s a tough call. You can make a very convincing argument for Orr and Howe and I wouldn`t challenge it. However, I can`t see how anybody could put another player in the top 3 instead of one of those 3. There`s a huge gap between them and the rest.

Maybe we should run a similar contest on here. Everybody makes a top 50 list; somebody adds it up giving 50 points for a 1st place vote, 49 points for a second, etc. Then we have the hfboards list. We could make it only, say the expansion era if some are worried about guys voting for Original Six players they never saw.

I`m just curious how low some of these Gretzky bashers would put him.
 

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A list like this without Cy Denneny in the top 15 is a complete travesty.

Yeah, the OgoPogo Award Crunch system is much much better. You don't have to watch anyone play!
 

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NHL2Night experts

100 Adam Oates

99 Dave Keon

98 Paul Kariya

97 George Hainsworth

96 Joe Mullen

95 Serge Savard

94 Michel Goulet

93 Darryl Sittler

92 Borje Salming

91 Luc Robitaille

90 Markus Naslund

89 Jarome Iginla

88 Glenn Anderson

87 Eric Lindros

86 Phil Housley

85 Mike Modano

84 Rod Langway

83 Dave Andreychuk

82 Jean Ratelle

81 Johnny Bower

80 Brendan Shanahan

79 Joe Malone

78 Dino Ciccarelli

77 Norm Ullman

76 Pat LaFontaine

75 Scott Niedermayer

74 Denis Savard

73 Joe Nieuwendyk

72 Doug Gilmour

71 Chris Chelios

70 Chris Pronger

69 Mike Gartner

68 Dale Hawerchuk

67 Jeremy Roenick

66 Bob Gainey

65 Pavel Bure

64 Mark Howe

63 Sid Abel

62 Brian Leetch

61 Dickie Moore

60 Newsy Lalonde

59 John Bucyk

58 Alexander Mogilny

57 Al MacInnis

56 Yvan Cournoyer

55 Bill Durnan

54 Brad Park

53 Bill Cook

52 Scott Stevens

51 Bernie Geoffrion


50 Dit Clapper

49 Max Bentley

48 Peter Stastny

47 Milt Schmidt

46 Gilbert Perreault

45 Tim Horton

44 Tony Esposito

43 Ken Dryden

42 Sergei Fedorov

41 Bob Clarke

40 Frank Mahovlich

39 Howie Morenz

38 Ron Francis

37 Henri Richard

36 Charlie Conacher

35 Red Kelly

34 Grant Fuhr

33 Paul Coffey

32 Marcel Dionne

31 Steve Yzerman

30 Nicklas Lidstrom

29 Jari Kurri

28 Martin Brodeur

27 Brett Hull

26 Phil Esposito

25 Larry Robinson

24 Glenn Hall

23 Denis Potvin

22 Dominik Hasek

21 Jaromir Jagr

20 Terry Sawchuk

19 Ted Lindsay

18 Stan Mikita

17 Peter Forsberg

16 Joe Sakic

15 Jacques Plante

14 Mike Bossy

13 Guy Lafleur

12 Ray Bourque

11 Mark Messier

10 Jean Beliveau

9 Doug Harvey

8 Patrick Roy

7 Eddie Shore

6 Maurice Richard

5 Bobby Hull

4 Gordie Howe

3 Mario Lemieux

2 Bobby Orr

1 Wayne Gretzky




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Leaf Lander said:
NHL2Night experts

100 Adam Oates

99 Dave Keon

98 Paul Kariya

97 George Hainsworth

96 Joe Mullen

95 Serge Savard

94 Michel Goulet

93 Darryl Sittler

92 Borje Salming

91 Luc Robitaille

90 Markus Naslund

89 Jarome Iginla

88 Glenn Anderson

87 Eric Lindros

86 Phil Housley

85 Mike Modano

84 Rod Langway

83 Dave Andreychuk

82 Jean Ratelle

81 Johnny Bower

80 Brendan Shanahan

79 Joe Malone

78 Dino Ciccarelli

77 Norm Ullman

76 Pat LaFontaine

75 Scott Niedermayer

74 Denis Savard

73 Joe Nieuwendyk

72 Doug Gilmour

71 Chris Chelios

70 Chris Pronger

69 Mike Gartner

68 Dale Hawerchuk

67 Jeremy Roenick

66 Bob Gainey

65 Pavel Bure

64 Mark Howe

63 Sid Abel

62 Brian Leetch

61 Dickie Moore

60 Newsy Lalonde

59 John Bucyk

58 Alexander Mogilny

57 Al MacInnis

56 Yvan Cournoyer

55 Bill Durnan

54 Brad Park

53 Bill Cook

52 Scott Stevens

51 Bernie Geoffrion


50 Dit Clapper

49 Max Bentley

48 Peter Stastny

47 Milt Schmidt

46 Gilbert Perreault

45 Tim Horton

44 Tony Esposito

43 Ken Dryden

42 Sergei Fedorov

41 Bob Clarke

40 Frank Mahovlich

39 Howie Morenz

38 Ron Francis

37 Henri Richard

36 Charlie Conacher

35 Red Kelly

34 Grant Fuhr

33 Paul Coffey

32 Marcel Dionne

31 Steve Yzerman

30 Nicklas Lidstrom

29 Jari Kurri

28 Martin Brodeur

27 Brett Hull

26 Phil Esposito

25 Larry Robinson

24 Glenn Hall

23 Denis Potvin

22 Dominik Hasek

21 Jaromir Jagr

20 Terry Sawchuk

19 Ted Lindsay

18 Stan Mikita

17 Peter Forsberg

16 Joe Sakic

15 Jacques Plante

14 Mike Bossy

13 Guy Lafleur

12 Ray Bourque

11 Mark Messier

10 Jean Beliveau

9 Doug Harvey

8 Patrick Roy

7 Eddie Shore

6 Maurice Richard

5 Bobby Hull

4 Gordie Howe

3 Mario Lemieux

2 Bobby Orr

1 Wayne Gretzky




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Nice to see that Messier has moved ahead of Lafleur where he belongs.
 

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Forsberg being where he is on the NHL2NIGHT list is probably the most glaring joke on that entire list. He should be back in the 80's with Lindros.
 

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THN did the list in 1997. A lot has changed. Sakic was just off the consideration list (86 players or something like that). It was just after he won the Conn Smythe. Now, he'd be top 50 for sure. (One of the top 15 centres ever).Yzerman, if I remember right, was the most controversial omission. He then won three Cups in six years, a Conn Smythe and an Olympic Gold on one leg. He'd be top 50. Jagr would make the top 50 again (I didn't think he belonged in the first place), but he's dropped a little after the last three years. Lindros, Stastny and Gartner were also controversial omissions. Hasek and Sakic still didn't have enough to generate controversy.

I have the top 100 stored in my parents basement. Can't remember who's there. THN also said Lindros would be a lock for the top 75 for their 75th anniversary. Not now, not ever.

And THN's list is a heck of a lot more accurate than a list that has Yzerman behind Markus Naslund and Kariya.
 

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You could come down to the mainland if you want, unless your pogey ran out five months ago and you can't get a bus ticket. ;)

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Yeah, the OgoPogo Award Crunch system is much much better. You don't have to watch anyone play!

I use the eyes of the awards voters and the stats that they accumulated. Both excellent pieces of evidence.
 

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Leaf Lander said:
NHL2Night experts

100 Adam Oates

99 Dave Keon

98 Paul Kariya

97 George Hainsworth

96 Joe Mullen

95 Serge Savard

94 Michel Goulet

93 Darryl Sittler

92 Borje Salming

91 Luc Robitaille

90 Markus Naslund

89 Jarome Iginla

88 Glenn Anderson

87 Eric Lindros

86 Phil Housley

85 Mike Modano

84 Rod Langway

83 Dave Andreychuk

82 Jean Ratelle

81 Johnny Bower

80 Brendan Shanahan

79 Joe Malone

78 Dino Ciccarelli

77 Norm Ullman

76 Pat LaFontaine

75 Scott Niedermayer

74 Denis Savard

73 Joe Nieuwendyk

72 Doug Gilmour

71 Chris Chelios

70 Chris Pronger

69 Mike Gartner

68 Dale Hawerchuk

67 Jeremy Roenick

66 Bob Gainey

65 Pavel Bure

64 Mark Howe

63 Sid Abel

62 Brian Leetch

61 Dickie Moore

60 Newsy Lalonde

59 John Bucyk

58 Alexander Mogilny

57 Al MacInnis

56 Yvan Cournoyer

55 Bill Durnan

54 Brad Park

53 Bill Cook

52 Scott Stevens

51 Bernie Geoffrion


50 Dit Clapper

49 Max Bentley

48 Peter Stastny

47 Milt Schmidt

46 Gilbert Perreault

45 Tim Horton

44 Tony Esposito

43 Ken Dryden

42 Sergei Fedorov

41 Bob Clarke

40 Frank Mahovlich

39 Howie Morenz

38 Ron Francis

37 Henri Richard

36 Charlie Conacher

35 Red Kelly

34 Grant Fuhr

33 Paul Coffey

32 Marcel Dionne

31 Steve Yzerman

30 Nicklas Lidstrom

29 Jari Kurri

28 Martin Brodeur

27 Brett Hull

26 Phil Esposito

25 Larry Robinson

24 Glenn Hall

23 Denis Potvin

22 Dominik Hasek

21 Jaromir Jagr

20 Terry Sawchuk

19 Ted Lindsay

18 Stan Mikita

17 Peter Forsberg

16 Joe Sakic

15 Jacques Plante

14 Mike Bossy

13 Guy Lafleur

12 Ray Bourque

11 Mark Messier

10 Jean Beliveau

9 Doug Harvey

8 Patrick Roy

7 Eddie Shore

6 Maurice Richard

5 Bobby Hull

4 Gordie Howe

3 Mario Lemieux

2 Bobby Orr

1 Wayne Gretzky




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Seriously, the way Cy Denneny dominated the 20s, not having him on a top 100 list - in the top 20 - tells me that people are not doing their homework on these things. I am sure there are other glaring omissions and mistakes but, I just took a quick scan.
 

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Seriously, the way Cy Denneny dominated the 20s, not having him on a top 100 list - in the top 20 - tells me that people are not doing their homework on these things. I am sure there are other glaring omissions and mistakes but, I just took a quick scan.
I'm just not that big on those early era players. Playing on stacked teams for 60 min. a game is a good mixture for padded stats. If I had to pick a player, at that time, to crack the top 50 its Bill Cowley. From readings about that time and hearing older players talk that guy sounded pretty awsome.
 

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reckoning said:
The list was done in `97 so a lot of those guys you mentioned hadn`t hit their big years yet. I remember Yzerman was the big omission that startled most people. IIRC, Yzerman, Sakic and Hasek were all in the 51-100 group, but it`s safe to say they`d be top 50 today. Patrick Roy would also likely be rated a lot higher than #35.

About Jagr, very often with active players, their current status influences our rankings of their careers. As underachieving as he`s been lately, when he`s retired he`ll be a consensus top 50 choice. When this list was done, Eric Lindros was between 51-60. It was before the concussions and he was the dominant player in the league. If it was done now he probably wouldn`t be top 100.

Since that list went to press ('98, I believe), Jagr has won three more scoring titles, two Pearsons, a Hart, and was a Hart finalist one other time. If it can be agreed that his ranking was appropriate at the time, I see no reason why it should drop very much, if at all.
 

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I'm just not that big on those early era players. Playing on stacked teams for 60 min. a game is a good mixture for padded stats. If I had to pick a player, at that time, to crack the top 50 its Bill Cowley. From readings about that time and hearing older players talk that guy sounded pretty awsome.

I'm not talking about padding stats.

Denneny won a scoring title and finished second four times. The man was a top 5 goal scorer 8 times. On my adjusted scoring list he is top 10.

It doesn't matter if he played 60 minutes a game with a stacked team, he was still one of the very best players of his era. All players of his era had to play with the same rules and Denneny came out at or near the top virtually every year he played. He was dominant. When you look at how he dominated his peers compared to the rest of NHL history, he is very deserving of a top 20 spot.
 

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Guys like Ronick, Gartner, Gilmour, Francis and Lafontaine do not deserve their spots that high on this list. The voters gave modern day players more credibility than older players - because they have seen the modern day players in action. That is why these types of votes are trash. There is no possible way that they can be accurate.
 

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Leaf Lander, here's the complete top 100:

Rank Player
1 Wayne Gretzky
2 Bobby Orr
3 Gordie Howe
4 Mario Lemieux
5 Maurice Richard
6 Doug Harvey
7 Jean Beliveau
8 Bobby Hull
9 Terry Sawchuk
10 Eddie Shore
11 Guy LaFleur
12 Mark Messier
13 Jacques Plante
14 Ray Bourque
15 Howie Morenz
16 Glenn Hall
17 Stan Mikita
18 Phil Esposito
19 Denis Potvin
20 Mike Bossy
21 Ted Lindsay
22 Red Kelly
23 Bobby Clarke
24 Larry Robinson
25 Ken Dryden
26 Frank Mahovlich
27 Milt Schmidt
28 Paul Coffey
29 Henri Richard
30 Bryan Trottier
31 Dickie Moore
32 Newsy Lalonde
33 Syl Apps Sr.
34 Bill Durnan
35 Patrick Roy
36 Charlie Conacher
37 Jaromir Jagr
38 Marcel Dionne
39 Joe Malone
40 Chris Chelios
41 Aubrey "Dit" Clapper
42 Bernie Geoffrion
43 Tim Horton
44 Bill Cook
45 John Bucyk
46 George Hainsworth
47 Gil Perreault
48 Max Bentley
49 Brad Park
50 Jari Kurri
51 Nels Stewart
52 King Clancy
53 Bill Cowley
54 Eric Lindros
55 Harvey "Busher" Jackson
56 Peter Stastny
57 Ted Kennedy
58 Andy Bathgate
59 Pierre Pilote
60 Turk Broda
61 Frank Boucher
62 Cy Denneny
63 Bernie Parent
64 Brett Hull
65 Aurel Joliat
66 Toe Blake
67 Frank Brimsek
68 Elmer Lach
69 Dave Keon
70 Grant Fuhr
71 Brian Leetch
72 Earl Seibert
73 Doug Bentley
74 Borje Salming
75 Georges Vezina
76 Chuck Gardiner
77 Clint Benedict
78 Steve Yzerman
79 Tony Esposito
80 Billy Smith
81 Serge Savard
82 Alex Delvecchio
83 Cecil "Babe" Dye
84 Lorne Chabot
85 Sid Abel
86 Bob Gainey
87 Johnny Bower
88 Sprague Cleghorn
89 Mike Gartner
90 Norm Ullman
91 Sweeney Schriner
92 Joe Primeau
93 Darryl Sittler
94 Joe Sakic
95 Dominik Hasek
96 Babe Pratt
97 Jack Stewart
98 Yvan Cournoyer
99 Bill Gadsby
100 Frank Nighbor

It's a pretty solid list despite the fact that they seem to underrate many old-timers.
 

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