News Article: The Hockey News: Rasmussen likely headed back down ***THN was wrong, Ras staying for now***.

[YpsiWings]

right now hes doing a whole lot of nothing in the NHl except learning what it's like to lose every night.

I agree that going back to Juniors is not the worst thing, Rasmussen is not ready for the NHL at this time. But I do disagree with your sentence above, kid knows what to do on the PP. To me Ras’s absolute floor is a 4th line PP specialist.

 

[newfy]

No point in burning a year off his ELC to play for this team right now.

Isnt there some rule that after 9 games it burns a year of ELC but they need to play 40 to burn a year of RFA status? If thats the rule still I dont think burning a year of ELC matters too much. 40 games is more of an evaluation and worst case he can get sent to the world jnuiors and back to junior before he plays a full 40.

I think he might get scratched next game to give them more time to make a decision on him and give him some time up with the big club. I've liked what I've seen the last couple games more and more which makes me think he might be solid by seasons end

 

[Hatter of the Beach]

Isnt there some rule that after 9 games it burns a year of ELC but they need to play 40 to burn a year of RFA status? If thats the rule still I dont think burning a year of ELC matters too much. 40 games is more of an evaluation and worst case he can get sent to the world jnuiors and back to junior before he plays a full 40.

I think he might get scratched next game to give them more time to make a decision on him and give him some time up with the big club. I've liked what I've seen the last couple games more and more which makes me think he might be solid by seasons end

Agreed with the last part. He played a decent all around game today. Ive noticed him on the fore and backcheck

 

[Filppula]

This might be overly simplistic, but maybe ask the kid...

Juniors, be a star, dominate and taste success, or NHL and develop, see noticeable improvements.

You'd imagine he'd say stay in the NHL, but really it's all about what's best for the kid. Ask him what he thinks is best. It's a tough call and I can see both perspectives, but I see enough and he is getting enough chances to say he deserves to stick around.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Kronwall in the post-game presser, unleashes on the team, "this is sheer madness" "it's getting really old (losing), then coming in here talking to you guys (the press)" etc. etc. etc.

 

[Winger98]

Really wish he could go to GR and play with Zadina, this is a case of the CHL-NHL agreement being against a player’s best interest in my opinion.

Not sure playing big minutes in the WHL is the worst thing, but 1C in the AHL feels like the right fit.

What’s interesting is Veleno and Rasmussen could be competing for the same spot on Team Canada. Not sure both get picked, they really like to go with guys who have been there before for better or worse.

Yeah, the AHL feels like the right place for the guy. I think he's just too big to go back to juniors and really learn anything shoving around guys smaller and/or far less experienced/mature. I almost wouldn't be surprised if he goes to GR next year, depending on how the rest of this season goes.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

I see no reason big enough to send him down.I would keep him in Detroit for the campaign, he can learn at this level. I would loan him to Canada for the WJC regardless in December at this point.

If he is going back to the WHL, I want pressure brought by the Wings to see him sent to Vancouver or Prince Albert by trade.

What does trading him to Van or Prince Albert do? Why would the wings want this?

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

What does trading him to Van or Prince Albert do? Why would the wings want this?

Puts him on one of the favorites to go to the Memorial Cup around better players. But it at least insures he sees high stakes playoff games.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Puts him on one of the favorites to go to the Memorial Cup around better players. But it at least insures he sees high stakes playoff games.

Yeah that's a very good point. I don't follow the WHL much, his junior team isn't very good then I assume?

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Yeah that's a very good point. I don't follow the WHL much, his junior team isn't very good then I assume?

I think he could probably will them out of the first round, but that is about it in my opinion. His junior team gets a lot better with him on it, but still I would rather see him go to a better situation if he does go down. Vancouver and being back home would be my preference if he is in the WHL. Again I am not in favor of that idea anyway, but if they do send him down I am hoping they can engineer a trade for him.

 

[HIFE]

Rasmussen is usable also as a bottom6 player. Let him develop his defence, and don't worry about his scoring.

Somehow people think that a lack of scoring is lack of talent or missing development. He has special tools, which will come out when he is put with elite skill. We just have draft those elite guys first.

Rasmussen should now just stay in NHL, play 10 minutes and hit the gym to become a 250lbs monster, which no one can beat out on the net-front area on the next decade.

Like HisNoodliness said there can be a space for chosen individuals to develop at the NHL level. Play on the 4th line and practice/train with the pros.

It's funny the intense criticism on a 19y/o. It was known Rasmussen would take time to be key player. How is he not as "ready" to help score a goal more than Abdelkader, Glendening, Ehn, or even Nielsen? I've been awed a few times at the quick passes and vision he's displayed. Small plays but he has ELITE qualities. There's enough improvement over a handful of games to think he could surprise people if given the chance.

 

[golffuul]

I see Rasmussen as a Couturier-type player where Couturier was heralded in Junior as a scoring center, but wasn't able to develop that way, right away, and turned his skills to the defensive side until his ability caught up to the NHL level. I don't mind if Rasmussen stays up as a 3rd or 4th line player, so long as he has a role to learn and a way of developing his skills to reach the NHL level.

 

[Goalie guy]

I agree that going back to Juniors is not the worst thing, Rasmussen is not ready for the NHL at this time. But I do disagree with your sentence above, kid knows what to do on the PP. To me Ras’s absolute floor is a 4th line PP specialist.

But what is better for him right now? Staying up keep losing, not getting points, knocked over/off the puck, thinking oh crap I cant do this. Or going back down taking what hes learned with him and improve? I for one want any good young player we have as far away from Trashill as they can get! His big selling point was how good he is with the kids, good at what exactly? Killing all hope they have? I'm not saying the kid is a bust at all just needs time.

 

[Syckle78]

Kronwall in the post-game presser, unleashes on the team, "this is sheer madness" "it's getting really old (losing), then coming in here talking to you guys (the press)" etc. etc. etc.

Kinda feel bad for the guy. Only reason he's losing his shit this early is cause he knows there's no chance of it getting better. I guess he could always retire or ask for a trade.

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

The locker room has gotten... not so joyous. It's probably a good idea to get the prospects out of there if possible. For Rasmussen, the NHL would be a good option on a functional team. But he's still got stuff to learn in junior, so it wouldn't be the worst. And the team boiling over like this can't be so great for his confidence, either.

 

[SCD]

After reading the article, I question how inform is Clinton. He states " Few would have expected Rasmussen to earn a spot on the club right out of camp."

Hello....everyone in the Wings organization, media, and most fans.

 

[Reddwit]

No debate here. Necas has 8 NHL gp, Ras has 7 NHL gp. Identical stats (if you exclude Ras' disallowed goal. Even PIM & +/- are same. I'm glad we took the 6'6" 230 pounder over a guy lighter than Hicketts.

Necas should be way better given that hes played pro against men for 2 years to Ras's 0. I dont actually think that, but it applies just as equally as what you said. Neither have been great but Rasmussen has been better in his debut. Hes not getting sheltered at all and still has better possession numbers than Necas.

So I guess the decades-long ongoing concern about overseas players adapting to North American hockey quickly is misguided then? Somehow I doubt that. Playing a different brand of hockey on a different surface at a significantly (s)lower frequency is a much bigger transition than simply playing against men.

 

[ShelbyZ]

I think he could probably will them out of the first round, but that is about it in my opinion. His junior team gets a lot better with him on it, but still I would rather see him go to a better situation if he does go down. Vancouver and being back home would be my preference if he is in the WHL. Again I am not in favor of that idea anyway, but if they do send him down I am hoping they can engineer a trade for him.

On the other hand, if he goes back to Tri-City and they don't make it out of the 1st or 2nd round or even make the playoffs, he'll be able to join the Griffins for anywhere between 2-14 games as well as the playoffs (if they make it... ) to end the year.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Kinda feel bad for the guy. Only reason he's losing his **** this early is cause he knows there's no chance of it getting better. I guess he could always retire or ask for a trade.

Yeah, I feel bad for him too, even though he's made more $ than most people will 50X over. He's a warrior, and will likely stick it out...but he'd probably retire vs. ask to be traded.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

On the other hand, if he goes back to Tri-City and they don't make it out of the 1st or 2nd round or even make the playoffs, he'll be able to join the Griffins for anywhere between 2-14 games as well as the playoffs (if they make it... ) to end the year.

We will see once they get the D back, but I am not taking GR as a shoe-in playoff team at this point either. They have some work to do for me to be confident they will be there for Rasmussen to come to this year. Not the same GR team from years past right now in my opinion. But again the D could change how I feel about that. I have the AHL pass, they haven't been particularly good to start the year either.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

I see Rasmussen as a Couturier-type player where Couturier was heralded in Junior as a scoring center, but wasn't able to develop that way, right away, and turned his skills to the defensive side until his ability caught up to the NHL level. I don't mind if Rasmussen stays up as a 3rd or 4th line player, so long as he has a role to learn and a way of developing his skills to reach the NHL level.

I hope you're right about the Couturier comparison. I haven't seen any of that in Ras so far.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Like HisNoodliness said there can be a space for chosen individuals to develop at the NHL level. Play on the 4th line and practice/train with the pros.

It's funny the intense criticism on a 19y/o. It was known Rasmussen would take time to be key player. How is he not as "ready" to help score a goal more than Abdelkader, Glendening, Ehn, or even Nielsen? I've been awed a few times at the quick passes and vision he's displayed. Small plays but he has ELITE qualities. There's enough improvement over a handful of games to think he could surprise people if given the chance.

This is kind of the same thing I said about Hronek. I don't want Rasmussen to be "better than Abdelkader" and have that be an okay barometer. I want him to be a top 6 C or a top line winger if it's possible. I want him to be a game changer. Him being 2-3% better than Justin Abdelkader or Glendening right now does absolutely nothing for me. I want him to get the experience and confidence so there isn't any kind of comparison between the two.

Same deal with Zadina being down in the A and me being okay with it. I want guys to be studs in lower levels and ready to be studs when they hit the NHL. I'm not a huge fan of "oh, it's okay if he screws up, he's young." You're in the NHL, you gotta be ready to go. Like Hronek was actually really bad in the Montreal game. It's not "okay" because he's 19. He played poorly. He played well in other games.

Essentially, if you're in the NHL, I'm expecting you to make NHL plays. The last guy I was pissed about being stuck in GR was Nyquist and that's because in 13-14... he was a phenomenon. He was top 6 ready on a team who didn't have many who were.

 

[newfy]

So I guess the decades-long ongoing concern about overseas players adapting to North American hockey quickly is misguided then? Somehow I doubt that. Playing a different brand of hockey on a different surface at a significantly (s)lower frequency is a much bigger transition than simply playing against men.

Is it though? Theres concern about playing against men when juniors jump up to the AHL or guys are freshmen in the NCAA. The jump from junior straight to the NHL when youre still junior eligible? I think thats gotta be the hardest transition in hockey.

Even if it isnt, theyre both BIG adjustments and I think using one as an excuse but not the other is pretty weak at this point in time

 

[InjuredChoker]

If that's the plan they may as well trade him. if he's not an impact player at the NHL-level then he needs more development time. Burning years of contract control for no reason makes little sense.

no because it's good thing to have (good) player on cheap deal. however, i only agree with that part if ras' second contract is a long one. which isn't something wings could know at this point. priority should be on ras' development, contract status is secondary.

players can develop in the NHL. even if they aren't impact players at NHL level.. depending on how one defines impact.

 

[InjuredChoker]

Isnt there some rule that after 9 games it burns a year of ELC but they need to play 40 to burn a year of RFA status? If thats the rule still I dont think burning a year of ELC matters too much. 40 games is more of an evaluation and worst case he can get sent to the world jnuiors and back to junior before he plays a full 40.

it's not games played but games on the NHL roster.

and yes, that's the more important limit. don't want to burn UFA year unless it's really best for ras' development. ELC year doesn't mean that much at this point. ras doesn't look completely out of place right now and if he even improves and looks good when the 40 game limit is closing keep him up. if not, send him to juniors. however, he hasn't stood out positively a lot but has improved a bit so i'd personally want to delay the decision on whether to send him down or not. not completely against sending him down though as wings locker room is not be the best player for young player to be in right now and he clearly has ways to go.