The History of the Stanley Cup if there were no relocations.....ever

[WingsFan95]

Been meaning to do this for a while, enjoy:

2011-Boston Bruins over Vancouver Canucks
2010-Chicago Blackhawks over Philadelphia Flyers
2009-Pittsburgh Pirates over Detroit Red Wings
2008-Detroit Red Wings over Pittsburgh Pirates
2007-Anaheim Mighty Ducks over Ottawa Senators
2006-Hartford Whalers over Edmonton Oilers
2004-Tampa Bay Lightning over Atlanta Flames
2003-Kansas City Scouts over Anaheim Mighty Ducks
2002-Detroit Red Wings over Hartford Whalers
2001-Quebec Nordiques over Kansas City Scouts
2000-Kansas City Scouts over Minnesota North Stars
1999-Minnesota North Stars over Buffalo Sabres
1998-Detroit Red Wings over Washington Capitals
1997-Detroit Red Wings over Philadelphia Flyers
1996-Quebec Nordiques over Florida Panthers
1995-Kansas City Scouts over Detroit Red Wings
1994-New York Rangers over Vancouver Canucks
1993-Montreal Canadiens over Los Angeles Kings
1992-Pittsburgh Pirates over Chicago Blackhawks
1991-Pittsburgh Pirates over Minnesota North Stars
1990-Edmonton Oilers over Boston Bruins
1989-Atlanta Flames over Montreal Canadiens
1988-Edmonton Oilers over Boston Bruins
1987-Edmonton Oilers over Philadelphia Flyers
1986-Montreal Canadiens over Atlanta Flames

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[Cowen2]

we will never known what happen

 

[andreydali19]

Been meaning to do this for a while, enjoy:

2011-Boston Bruins over Vancouver Canucks
2010-Regina Capitals over Philadelphia Flyers
2009-Pittsburgh Pirates over Victoria Cougars
2008-Victoria Cougars over Pittsburgh Pirates
2007-Anaheim Mighty Ducks over Ottawa Senators
2006-Hartford Whalers over Edmonton Oilers
2004-Tampa Bay Lightning over Atlanta Flames
2003-Kansas City Scouts over Anaheim Mighty Ducks
2002-Victoria Cougars over Hartford Whalers
2001-Quebec Nordiques over Kansas City Scouts
2000-Kansas City Scouts over Minnesota North Stars
1999-Minnesota North Stars over Buffalo Sabres
1998-Victoria Cougars over Washington Capitals
1997-Victoria Cougars over Philadelphia Flyers
1996-Quebec Nordiques over Florida Panthers
1995-Kansas City Scouts over Victoria Cougars
1994-New York Rangers over Vancouver Canucks
1993-Montreal Canadiens over Los Angeles Kings
1992-Pittsburgh Pirates over Regina Capitals
1991-Pittsburgh Pirates over Minnesota North Stars
1990-Edmonton Oilers over Boston Bruins
1989-Atlanta Flames over Montreal Canadiens
1988-Edmonton Oilers over Boston Bruins
1987-Edmonton Oilers over Philadelphia Flyers
1986-Montreal Canadiens over Atlanta Flames

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[yeah]

I think the Pittsburgh cup winning team would still be the Penguins who were added in the expansion.
Ignoring the Pirate's move to Philly (it was the owner's intention to move back to Pittsburgh after a new arena was built), they would have still had to fold because of the Great Depression. Unless for whatever reason Pittsburgh granted the Pirates a new arena, and the owners could somehow clear their $400000 USD debt.

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nhl/phlpit/pitpiratesnhl.html
http://www.pittsburghsportsreport.com/2008-Issues/psr0803/08030126.html

Or are we also not counting teams folding?

 

[Canadiens1958]

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Edmonton Oilers were preceded by the Edmonton Eskimos, Vancouver Canucks were preceded by the Vancouver Millionaires of the PCHA. Rhiladelphia Quakers who were the Pittsburgh Pirates preceded the Philadelphia Flyers in the NHL

 

[Brodie]

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Incorrect. Those teams didn't relocate, their rosters were purchased by new NHL teams after they folded.

Also, the Pirates franchise ended up folding anyway. You can't replace the Penguins with them.

 

[Iain Fyffe]

Edmonton Oilers were preceded by the Edmonton Eskimos, Vancouver Canucks were preceded by the Vancouver Millionaires of the PCHA. Rhiladelphia Quakers who were the Pittsburgh Pirates preceded the Philadelphia Flyers in the NHL

Presumably the OP didn't use the Quakers since that would be the result of a relocation of the Pirates, and there's supposed to be no relocations here.

Incorrect. Those teams didn't relocate, their rosters were purchased by new NHL teams after they folded.

This is what we call a technicality. Heck, Detroit even used the nickname of the Victoria team (Cougars) for four seasons in the NHL.

Also, the Pirates franchise ended up folding anyway. You can't replace the Penguins with them.

You can do whatever you like in silly flights of fancy like this. There are no rules.

 

[Brodie]

This is what we call a technicality. Heck, Detroit even used the nickname of the Victoria team (Cougars) for four seasons in the NHL.

You don't see the fundamental difference between a team relocating and purchasing the roster of a team that just folded? The NHL purchased every player in the WCHL and distributed them, does that mean the NHL is really just the WCHL? The Red Wings and Blackhawks had already been founded before these deals went down.

 

[Iain Fyffe]

You don't see the fundamental difference between a team relocating and purchasing the roster of a team that just folded? The NHL purchased every player in the WCHL and distributed them, does that mean the NHL is really just the WCHL? The Red Wings and Blackhawks had already been founded before these deals went down.

I see the idea of a franchise in the modern sense as being anachronistic for the time period we're discussing.

Besides that, if I recall correctly the deals that the Detroit and Chicago teams made for their WHL players were seperate from the general purchase of player contracts.

When the Pittsburgh Pirates joined the NHL they brought their roster intact from the USAHA with one or two exceptions. The fact that it's the same team of players, to me, is more important than what a piece of paper might say about a "franchise." It was the same team, even if it might have technically been a new franchise. Reality over technicality.

 

[ES]

First thing that I notice which is wrong is that Quebec wouldn't have moved to the West without relocation. They played in East until 1995 - between 1993 and 1995 there was 14 teams in the East and 12 in the West.

The two-team difference was also in effect during 1999-2000 season in the middle of last four-team expansion which spanned for three years.

 

[Huis Clos*]

First thing that I notice which is wrong is that Quebec wouldn't have moved to the West without relocation. They played in East until 1995 - between 1993 and 1995 there was 14 teams in the East and 12 in the West.

The two-team difference was also in effect during 1999-2000 season in the middle of last four-team expansion which spanned for three years.

Doubtful they would have had Roy as well. Can't imagine Montreal sending him to a rival.

 

[Brodie]

I doubt the KC Scouts would be in the East, too

 

[Andy6]

You might want to allocate half the North Star wins to the Oakland Seals, since the North Stars were an amalgamation of the original North Stars and the Cleveland Barons (formerly the Seals).

 

[Fish on The Sand]

how are the Pirates in any way related to the Penguins? The Pirates relocated in 1930 to Philadelphia, true, however the team folded, as in ceased to exist in 1936. The history of the Pittsburgh Pirates died in 1936. The Penguins have absolutely nothing in common with that franchise, and neither do the Flyers.

 

[Andy6]

Also, the Hartford Whalers were originally the WHA's New England Whalers, playing in Boston. They were then relocated briefly to Springfield, I believe, and finally to Hartford in 1974. (They went back to Springfield again for half a season after the Civic Center roof caved in.) So really, if there had been no relocations, it would be the New England Whalers beating the Edmonton Oilers (or, maybe we should say, Alberta Oilers) at Boston Garden in 2006.

 

[Fish on The Sand]

Also, the Hartford Whalers were originally the WHA's New England Whalers, playing in Boston. They were then relocated briefly to Springfield, I believe, and finally to Hartford in 1974. (They went back to Springfield again for half a season after the Civic Center roof caved in.) So really, if there had been no relocations, it would be the New England Whalers beating the Edmonton Oilers (or, maybe we should say, Alberta Oilers) at Boston Garden in 2006.

that's not really an issue of relocation. Hartford is considered part of the New England area.

 

[Andy6]

The team relocated from Boston to Hartford. So referring to them as the "Hartford" Whalers isn't really accurately reflecting their original situation. Hartford was actually the third city that they played in, if I'm recollecting the chronology of their time in Springfield, Mass., correctly (it's all so long ago!)

 

[Fish on The Sand]

The team relocated from Boston to Hartford. So referring to them as the "Hartford" Whalers isn't really accurately reflecting their original situation. Hartford was actually the third city that they played in, if I'm recollecting the chronology of their time in Springfield, Mass., correctly (it's all so long ago!)

Hartford-Springfield is considered the same place. They share an airport and are a single metro area. I'll give you Boston, but Springfield I won't.

 

[WingsFan95]

Yeah I know the Scouts and Nords don't add up, it's just funny to think of it this way.

Plus I'd have to make assumptions on who the Scouts and Nords would have faced from the opposing conference.

Good call on the Cougars though, completely forgot bout that one.

 

[BubbaBoot]

Hartford-Springfield is considered the same place. They share an airport and are a single metro area. I'll give you Boston, but Springfield I won't.

Hartford and Springfield are only 1/2 hr from each other but light years in difference of character.

My stepfather had NE Whalers season tickets at the old Boston Garden and my dad also bought tickets for some games, (it was next to impossible to get a Bruins ticket in those days), so I have a soft spot for Carolina.

 

[BubbaBoot]

Hartford and Springfield are only 1/2 hr from each other but light years in difference of character.

My stepfather had NE Whalers season tickets at the old Boston Garden and my dad also bought tickets for some games, (it was next to impossible to get a Bruins ticket in those days), so I have a soft spot for Carolina.

Not only were the NE Whalers crammed into the old Boston Garden with the Bruins and the Celtics, but the Bruins AHL farm team, The Boston Braves, also played there. Saw Terry O'Reilly play against Larry Robinson's Nova Scotia Voyageurs there...I still have the program. Future Bruin heart breaker Yvon Lambert played on the same team.

 

[Scott1980]

Doubtful they would have had Roy as well. Can't imagine Montreal sending him to a rival.

No chance on that. Wonder where Roy would have ended up? Western Conference team. Which?

 

[mpleafan]

well, toronto maple leafs were originally the toronto st pats... o wait that dosent matter here.

 

[Brodie]

The Quebec Nordiques were originally the San Francisco Sharks

 

[Iain Fyffe]

The Quebec Nordiques were originally the San Francisco Sharks

Ooh, nice one.