The Hall Of Good

[TheMoreYouKnow]

It's hilarious the number of responses from people who didn't read the OP.

I was tempting fate when I called the thread "The Hall of Good", I should have figured that it would just lead to a listing of guys who fall just short of the HHOF or are still argued about.

 

[Zaphod]

Valerie Kamensky

 

[KristoLeblanc*]

When I saw the title the first name I thought about was Vincent Damphousse.

 

[KristoLeblanc*]

Mark Napier. 3 good seasons and poof, nada.

 

[Eisen]

How about Jere Lehtinen?

 

[Blades of Glory]

I don't know if he's been mentioned, but Slava Kozlov might be the perfect fit for the "Hall of the Good."

Kozlov has been a solid second-line winger for over 15 years. Six 70+ point seasons; three prior to the lockout, three after it. 25+ goals seven times. He has been the epitome of consistency, scoring 50+ points in 10 of the 13 healthy full seasons he has had in his career. There is something to be said for a player whose production does not fluctuate, in either direction, for the better part of 15 years. Kozlov has always been a reliable top six forward that raised his game beyond that in the playoffs. He is the Detroit Red Wings' all-time leader in playoff OT goals. Despite that, Kozlov has no case for the HHOF; so he fits the parameters of the OP perfectly.

 

[matnor]

Players with the most points despite never being top-20 in a single season:

Pos|Name|Points
1. | Pat Verbeek | 1063
2. | Dale Hunter | 1021
3. | Ray Ferraro | 898
4. | Cliff Ronning | 869
5. | Trevor Linden | 867
6. | John MacLean | 843
7. | Scott Mellanby | 840
8. | Stephane Richer | 819
9. | Geoff Courtnall | 800
10. | Claude Lemieux | 785
11. | Dave Christian | 773
12. | Jason Arnott | 770
13. | Murray Craven | 759
14. | Scott Young | 757
15. | Vyacheslav Kozlov | 751
16. | Russ Courtnall | 744
17. | Greg Adams | 744
18. | Bobby Holik | 738
19. | Ray Whitney | 734
20. | Andrew Cassels | 732
21. | Mike Foligno | 727
22. | Dave Gagner | 719
23. | Geoff Sanderson | 700
24. | Mel Bridgman | 700
25. | Shayne Corson | 693
26. | Don Lever | 680
27. | Craig Ramsay | 672
28. | Guy Carbonneau | 663
29. | Martin Gelinas | 660
30. | Kelly Kisio | 658
31. | Ulf Dahlen | 655
32. | Bryan Smolinski | 651
33. | Michael Nylander | 646
34. | Ryan Walter | 645
35. | Igor Larionov | 644
36. | Tony McKegney | 639
37. | Brian Rolston | 634
38. | John Anderson | 631
39. | Esa Tikkanen | 630
40. | Brent Ashton | 629
41. | Ed Westfall | 625
42. | Brian Mullen | 622
43. | Ron Duguay | 620
44. | Keith Primeau | 619
45. | Adam Graves | 616
46. | Derek King | 612
47. | Martin Rucinsky | 612
48. | Peter Zezel | 608
49. | Walt McKechnie | 606
50. | Mike Ricci | 605

 

[tarpilot]

For fun, I'm sticking with players not mentioned already. This is who came immediately to mind:

FORWARDS:
Craig Ramsay
Robert Reichel
Shayne Corson
Éric Dazé (hey, I liked him...)
Martin Gélinas
Sami Kapanen

DEFENSEMEN:
Dave Reid
Mike Rathje
Shawn Chambers
Garry Galley

 

[BubbaBoot]

For fun, I'm sticking with players not mentioned already. This is who came immediately to mind:

FORWARDS:
Craig Ramsay
Robert Reichel
Shayne Corson
Éric Dazé (hey, I liked him...)
Martin Gélinas
Sami Kapanen

DEFENSEMEN:
Dave Reid
Mike Rathje
Shawn Chambers
Garry Galley

Reid was a forward.....a defensive forward but a forward nonetheless. Very unheralded also.

 

[BubbaBoot]

Bubba's list is pretty good, I'd take out Brian Rolston from forwards and add Bill White on defense.

Thought about adding Bill White, don't know why I didn't.

Rolston stays....one of the best defensive forwards and PK specialists of his generation who still managed to score 30+ goals in a season 4 times, 334 goals total and 9th alltime in SH goals.

Sorry, he's a stalwart in the Hall Of Good.

 

[BubbaBoot]

I'm also a big Mike Knuble fan, love the way he plays....don't know what to do about him....he qualifies for the Hall Of Good but his stats lack for the reason that he didn't get a real chance to play until he was 30 yrs. old....he's closing in on 8 straight years pf 20+ goals.

 

[tarpilot]

Reid was a forward.....a defensive forward but a forward nonetheless. Very unheralded also.

Whoooops, swear I knew that!

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

how about steve larmer? i'd say he straddles the line between hall of good and hall of very good.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

I think Larmer straddles the line between hall of very good and darkhorse hall of fame.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

I think Larmer straddles the line between hall of very good and darkhorse hall of fame.

really? i see him kind of like dave taylor-- an undeniably good player, but whose numbers should really be better considering that he spent almost his entire career on a line with a superstar. part of it is that larmer was a quietly efficient player, a poor man's recchi maybe, but i always suspected that in different circumstances (i.e., without savard and wilson), he might have had linden or verbeek's careers. on the other hand, if he had been on the islanders or oilers, maybe he has bill barber's career and makes the HHOF. hard to say.

 

[kmad]

Wasn't Larmer the guy who stayed back and played responsible which enabled Savard to be the superstar he was? From what I've read Savard was significantly less effective once he was separated from Larmer, and Larmer's production actually increased.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

hmm, maybe i'm underrating larmer's intangibles. even in his 100 point year, i felt he was the third best offensive player on his line. but maybe it was that he was the only one with the two-way abilities to play the role he did.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Savard said that larmer was the best linemate he ever had, I think. Who was the other linemate you thought was better?

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Savard said that larmer was the best linemate he ever had, I think. Who was the other linemate you thought was better?

as the finisher, secord was the better offensive player when he was on that line, and goulet, even at his age, was better when he played with larms and roenick. with goulet, the numbers obviously suggest otherwise, but goulet looked more dangerous to my eyes. but i was young, and in hindsight larmer did seem to have played a subtle game. and of course, secord, savard, and roenick were anything but subtle.

my impression is that larmer was a solid two-way guy, put up good but not flashy point totals, and was a great teammate. that describes muller or linden to a T. or, for a defensive comparable, glen wesley. but if my impression is wrong and larmer's two-way game was more in brind'amour's league, then i'm definitely underrating him.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

I don't remember larmer well either, at least until he won with the rangers in 94 after his prime, but he was very highly regarded from what I have read. Secord, on the other hand is often referred to as basically an enforcer who scored a lot because of savard.

 

[Form and Substance]

Ray Whitney? He's had a pretty impressive journeyman career. What about Gary Roberts? Robert Reichel? Michael Nylander? I'd think they'd fit in the OP's description. I was thinking about putting Mats Naslund here too but he might have verged at elite status at several points in his career.

 

[canucks4ever]

as the finisher, secord was the better offensive player when he was on that line, and goulet, even at his age, was better when he played with larms and roenick. with goulet, the numbers obviously suggest otherwise, but goulet looked more dangerous to my eyes. but i was young, and in hindsight larmer did seem to have played a subtle game. and of course, secord, savard, and roenick were anything but subtle.

my impression is that larmer was a solid two-way guy, put up good but not flashy point totals, and was a great teammate. that describes muller or linden to a T. or, for a defensive comparable, glen wesley. but if my impression is wrong and larmer's two-way game was more in brind'amour's league, then i'm definitely underrating him.

Larmer was arguably the 4th best forward in 1991 after gretzky, hull and oates. I would say its a toss up between larmer, fluery and neely. Back in 1991, sakic and yzerman were one dimensional players and neither made team canada.

 

[Hybbe]

No love for Tomas Sandström?

Cup, close to career ppg with close to 1000 games played.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Larmer was arguably the 4th best forward in 1991 after gretzky, hull and oates. I would say its a toss up between larmer, fluery and neely. Back in 1991, sakic and yzerman were one dimensional players and neither made team canada.

i'm curious, what are you basing this on?