The End Of The Shootout?

[Killer B]

Discussed at the GM meeting in Toronto yesterday...

- Extending the 4 on 4 overtime another 5 minutes?
- Possibly going down to 3 v 3 after the 5 minute 4v4?

Pretty interesting. Although it doesn't play to the Bruins strengths, I wouldn't mind seeing some crazy, wide open 3v3 hockey.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-gms-looking-at-losing-the-shootout/

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[Scotto74]

anything to get the shootout out of the game is good for me. I would prefer to have 10 mins of 5 on 5 just like the old days.

If you are not willing to end a game in the playoffs 4 on 4 or in a shootout why do it in the regular season?

NHL hockey should be 5v5 always (Unless someone is in the box of course). Play the 10 mins and let the game end in a tie. All games worth 2 points. no more loser points.

 

[Fenian24]

anything to get the shootout out of the game is good for me. I would prefer to have 10 mins of 5 on 5 just like the old days.

If you are not willing to end a game in the playoffs 4 on 4 or in a shootout why do it in the regular season?

NHL hockey should be 5v5 always (Unless someone is in the box of course). Play the 10 mins and let the game end in a tie. All games worth 2 points. no more loser points.

Winner,we have a winner.

I have never seen an established sport tinker with it's rules, minor and major, the way the NHL does. Sometimes they remind me of a teenage girl with "issues" who needs a new crisis to be fixed every few months.

Leave the game alone, at least for a few years too see if the tweaks they made work.

BTW I hate the shootout and would love to see it gone, games shouldn't be decided on an all star skills competition.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

anything to get the shootout out of the game is good for me. I would prefer to have 10 mins of 5 on 5 just like the old days.

If you are not willing to end a game in the playoffs 4 on 4 or in a shootout why do it in the regular season?

NHL hockey should be 5v5 always (Unless someone is in the box of course). Play the 10 mins and let the game end in a tie. All games worth 2 points. no more loser points.

Never liked points for losing.

Never liked a win in the shootout being worth the same amount as a win in regulation.

Never had a problem with a tie game.

 

[Morris Wanchuk]

With the added parity of the league, and the over coaching, I feel the NHL was wise to get rid of ties. It is actually one of the few things (puck over the glass) that they were pro-active in stopping. I personally have no issue with ties, but I read that some teams since lock out #2 would have been over 20 ties a season.

That being said, the shoot out happens far too often. When the word "shootout specialist" comes out, you know you have a problem. 10 mins of 4-4 would settle most games, as the players will be gassed in the final minutes.

 

[Jean_Jacket41]

anything to get the shootout out of the game is good for me. I would prefer to have 10 mins of 5 on 5 just like the old days.

If you are not willing to end a game in the playoffs 4 on 4 or in a shootout why do it in the regular season?

NHL hockey should be 5v5 always (Unless someone is in the box of course). Play the 10 mins and let the game end in a tie. All games worth 2 points. no more loser points.

In fact, there is no loser point as a shoutout loss or a 4 on 4 loss ain't a real loss and shouldn't result in 0 point. There is a false winning point tought awarded in these games.

I agree with you tough. 5 on 5 10 min OT and give me back my ties! No more gimmick Walt Disney false winners ending...

 

[Bruinswillwin77]

So would there be a tie after the 10 minute OT?

 

[Neely08]

anything to get the shootout out of the game is good for me. I would prefer to have 10 mins of 5 on 5 just like the old days.

If you are not willing to end a game in the playoffs 4 on 4 or in a shootout why do it in the regular season?

NHL hockey should be 5v5 always (Unless someone is in the box of course). Play the 10 mins and let the game end in a tie. All games worth 2 points. no more loser points.

Asking a lot considering you have the potential of back to back games. That's when guys get hurt. Hard enough to get to the playoffs w/ an intact roster as it is.

With their speed, or lack of it, 4 on 4 isn't their strong suit. So I agree w/ the rest, but I'd go 5 on 5 for 5 mins.

I know I'm the minority, but the shootout has grown on me a bit. Especially w/ our team. We just don't see a lot of breakaways.

 

[rudos1]

I know I am in the minority on this one amongst the hardcore fans but I love the shootout, I hate ties always did always will, and the majority of the live fans at the games love it too...

 

[TP]

So would there be a tie after the 10 minute OT?

Doubt it will ever happen, but what if no points were awarded for a tie. That would certainly make it fast and furious.

 

[Bruinswillwin77]

No point idea is good. Didn't it use to be that way back in the day?

 

[Killer B]

So would there be a tie after the 10 minute OT?

Each team sends their mightiest warrior to center ice (with no gloves on) to determine the outcome....

I kid of course, but it's not that far removed from the shootout.

 

[Bruinswillwin77]

Each team sends their mightiest warrior to center ice (with no gloves on) to determine the outcome....

I kid of course, but it's not that far removed from the shootout.

Haha I was jokingly going to say have a center ice goalie fight to determine the outcome.

 

[Johnnyduke]

I am all for the elimination of the shootout. If there's a regular season tie, so be it. Three points for a regulation win, two for an OT win, one for OT loss/tie (that way there is no downside in playing to win in OT--more exciting hockey).

For the overtime period, I would keep it at 5 minutes but go to 4 on 4.

 

[Minny Shinny]

There were what....five OT games in the league last night? I'll always watch an OT session regardless of who's playing because of the do-or-die intentisty of it.....but it's also apparent that unless one team has solid possession in their zone, the intensity of the last minute really wanes as teams know they're headed to the shoot out.

10 minute OT with no shoot out available? That OT session becomes infinitely more entertaining and I don't doubt you'd see the play quality of those minutes improve.

 

[Braunbaer]

As long as we get rid of the shootout I don't care about 5on5 or 4on4 in OT.

They have to get rid of the loser point since it doesn't matter whether you win in regulation or in OT against 24 of 29 teams. Only 5 teams remain against whom it matters if they receive a point. (Counting all divisional rivals apart from the 2 usual bottom feeder like Florida or Buffalo in our case)

 

[hocky]

They need to focus on fixing the point system first. It's absolutely insane that a game that goes to overtime has a 50% increase in points awarded.

 

[Morris Wanchuk]

They should re-brand the loser point as the regulation tie point

 

[BallroomBitz]

Ties suck, but not as much as a participation point.

There has got to be a way to eliminate ties without rewarding teams that play to "not lose" in OT or the 3rd period.

 

[PurpleShamrock]

Never liked points for losing.

Never liked a win in the shootout being worth the same amount as a win in regulation.

Never had a problem with a tie game.

Agreed on all counts. But then again, long-time, die-hard fans like us aren't the ones the league was targeting when they decided to implement these changes. They already have us for life, and they know it.

 

[pown]

Most real fans will agree that SO is a stupid way of determining the winner of the extra point, its a team game and should be won in a team fashion. I agree to keeping OT but maybe add some minutes to it and if no one scores make it 3v3 after a certain amount of time.

 

[VanIsle]

10 minute OT

4 on 4 for the first 5 minutes of overtime with no loser point.
3 on 3 for the last 5 minutes of overtime with a loser point.

If both teams end up tied at the end of OT both teams get 1 point.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Agreed on all counts. But then again, long-time, die-hard fans like us aren't the ones the league was targeting when they decided to implement these changes. They already have us for life, and they know it.

In my mind, if you're going to do a shootout, then you have to make a win in regulation worth more. Then you don't have some games where 3 points are awarded and others only worth 2.

Then you'd see those same teams that are okay with getting their "regulation tie" point really start to put out in those last five minutes with an extra two points on the line.

3 points for a regulation win.
2 points for a shootout win +1 for a shootout loss.

Don't even need an overtime if you're going this route.

If your aim is to attract the casual viewer, this accomplishes just that without having a the false parity that the current point system promotes.

 

[OnTheFly12]

anything to get the shootout out of the game is good for me. I would prefer to have 10 mins of 5 on 5 just like the old days.

If you are not willing to end a game in the playoffs 4 on 4 or in a shootout why do it in the regular season?

NHL hockey should be 5v5 always (Unless someone is in the box of course). Play the 10 mins and let the game end in a tie. All games worth 2 points. no more loser points.

I agree on the 5 on 5.

I think NHL should go to 3 points for a win, and 1 for a tie. Nothing for just getting to overtime, points awarded after extended 5 v 5 overtime (at least 10 minutes, and 20 is better). again 3 points if you win, 1 each if still tied after OT.

the result of this will be less overtimes, but really intense ones when we go there.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

They need to focus on fixing the point system first. It's absolutely insane that a game that goes to overtime has a 50% increase in points awarded.

Yes! I've said this for years. when they implemented the shootout they should have gone with a 3 point system all along.

Would work like this:
Every game is worth 3 total points
Regulation win = 3 points to the winner
OT/Shootout win = 2 points to the winner, 1 to the loser

This would mean teams would actually play to win more often in regulation, games would all be played for the same stakes, and you reduce the dependency on all these goofy tie-breaker calculations like ROW since regulation wins become more rewarding so the point separation between teams should be more pronounced.

Unfortunately the NHL won't do this because it would eliminate a lot of the artificial parity in the NHL right now as the truly good teams would be getting an extra point for regulation wins and pulling away from the bubble teams who currently gain ground by stealing OT points.